Jamie Sanders

[pick4]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

She still needs to learn how to read a condition book.

I agree. I thought she ruined Teufelsberg and had Stormello in my pick 4. I thought Stormello and Teufelsberg looked like similar horses but included Stormello because of the class and cutback angle.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by pick4

I agree. I thought she ruined Teufelsberg and had Stormello in my pick 4. I thought Stormello and Teufelsberg looked like similar horses but included Stormello because of the class and cutback angle.

I know I'm fighting a losing battle here but I'll say it anyway...the woman has done nothing wrong with this horse, he obviously is sound and prospers with work, she's running him the way trainers use to run their horses...you know, before the object was to run 6-8 times, get the fans hooked and then send the horse to the breeding shed. His run in the Blue Grass was certainly good enough, snail's pace and all, to merit taking the once-in-a-lifetime chance in the Derby. He lost the BG by a neck and the Derby winner was in the race afterall. You simply don't know how ANY horse is gonna respond to running against 19 others with all those people in the infield at 10 furlongs until you try. If that effort harmed the horse, it sure didn't show yesterday! How many MALE trainers have entered distance-challenged horses in the Derby? Todd Pletcher, for all his success has apparently entered quite a few horses in the race that "didn't belong", at least based on performance and yet folks don't make fun of him and act like he's ruining his horses. Of course her record overall is that of a low % trainer...not everybody wins 30% or even 10%, she's just starting trainer-wise. She has what we use to call an "iron horse", one who apparently thrives on racing...for 3yo's in the spring, that means taking a look at the TC at least...she tried the Derby and has now cut back appropriately to 7f, the Kings Bishop would appear to be the logical next race but I'd keep the Travers on the radar...suppose the race comes up paceless? Why not take a shot? 3yo races are unique...you get one shot only...who are we to criticize someone who actually runs a sound horse??

[pick4]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I know I'm fighting a losing battle here but I'll say it anyway...the woman has done nothing wrong with this horse, he obviously is sound and prospers with work, she's running him the way trainers use to run their horses...you know, before the object was to run 6-8 times, get the fans hooked and then send the horse to the breeding shed. His run in the Blue Grass was certainly good enough, snail's pace and all, to merit taking the once-in-a-lifetime chance in the Derby. He lost the BG by a neck and the Derby winner was in the race afterall. You simply don't know how ANY horse is gonna respond to running against 19 others with all those people in the infield at 10 furlongs until you try. If that effort harmed the horse, it sure didn't show yesterday! How many MALE trainers have entered distance-challenged horses in the Derby? Todd Pletcher, for all his success has apparently entered quite a few horses in the race that "didn't belong", at least based on performance and yet folks don't make fun of him and act like he's ruining his horses. Of course her record overall is that of a low % trainer...not everybody wins 30% or even 10%, she's just starting trainer-wise. She has what we use to call an "iron horse", one who apparently thrives on racing...for 3yo's in the spring, that means taking a look at the TC at least...she tried the Derby and has now cut back appropriately to 7f, the Kings Bishop would appear to be the logical next race but I'd keep the Travers on the radar...suppose the race comes up paceless? Why not take a shot? 3yo races are unique...you get one shot only...who are we to criticize someone who actually runs a sound horse??

We're not fighting. Look at Teufelsberg PP's from race 1 through the Woody Stephens and please explain using logic and not emotion how he has been managed wisely.

Taking chances is one thing but I think taking so many chances was not the best way to develop the horse. That being said Jaime Sanders is a horsewoman and I am not a horseman. She knows how to care for a horse and I do not. She worked for Nick Zito and I've only read positive things from him through various media sources. So even though her record thus far has been less than stellar you have to take Nick Zito at his horse that she is an excellent horsewoman.

Conditioning a horse and knowing where to run a horse are two different things. I believe some trainers are better at placing their horses than caring for their horse. It seems Jaime at this point in her training career is better at conditioning and caring for her horses than at placing her horse. The decision on skipping the Preakness and aiming for the Woody Stephens was a smart decision and she was rewarded for it.

I'd post the same thing even if Jaime Sanders was James Sanders. But I'm nothing but a racing fan and an anonymous poster expressing an opinion on an internet message board. I meant no harm and I'm not looking for fights.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I know how you would like to make this some societal arguement about men vs women but it clearly is not. Do you find it all a coincidence that she is now 3 for about 120 this year? All anyone has been saying is that the horse belongs sprinting. I'm sure the ride was fun on the way to the Derby but the horse should be sprinting. If that wasn't obvious after yesterday then there really is no hope.

I'm a little disappointed in how Sanders has handled her stock this year.. I thought she showed real promise last summer at Saratoga, but she seems pretty off the deep end in her placings of some of her horses these days.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I'm a little disappointed in how Sanders has handled her stock this year.. I thought she showed real promise last summer at Saratoga, but she seems pretty off the deep end in her placings of some of her horses these days.

she has made in excess of $5 million dollars this year in her pocket pure profit, how could that be disapointing in any way?