Librarians, Keepers of the Liberty

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

I have never used the word "liberal" ... you can look up all of my posts and you won't find that word ... except in this post.

The word I use to describe people whose political beliefs are contrary to mine is "leftist" ... which means someone who believes in statism and collectivism and government control of people's lives.

On the other hand ... a "liberal" is someone who believes in freedom ... and the right of individuals to live their lives without suppression or coercion by the government. A "liberal" is almost the exact opposite of a "leftist." And that's how I describe my political and economic beliefs ... I am a liberal ... I believe in individual freedom.

Sorry BB to lump you in with those. I went back and looked and you are right, you used leftist and not liberal. My mistake. Those I have mentioned though have used liberal as a negative term which is my beef with them. You really need both sides, not just one.

[Downthestretch55]

That Sowell article was indeed interesting.
Here are some of his words:

Most blacks are working people and taxpayers, who are not benefiting from the welfare state programs of the Democrats or from affirmative action. Many live in places where they are more likely than whites to become victims of the violent criminals that liberal judges turn loose and liberal governors pardon.

Notice the shading.
1) Yes, blacks are working people and taxpayers (nod your head if you agree)
2) "Who are not benefiting from the welfare state programs of the Democrats or from affirmative action." Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't "welfare reform" occur under the Clinton administration? As far as affirmative action, I think that goes back to Johnson...but it certainly doesn't benefit caucasians.
3)...more likely than whites to become victims of the violent criminals that
liberal judges (unnamed, no case law cited), turn loose and liberal governors
(again unnamed) pardon. Nice try Sowell. Lack of substantiation to support this outrageous statement has a few believers that are not smart enough to see through this claim nodding their heads again. Others would demand specificty to the aforesaid claims, and rightly so.

The article goes on to attack teacher's unions. The greatest tragedy in public education, in my opinion as one who has worked in this field for a very long time, has been the enactment of "No Child Left Behind" legislation, passed by the current Republican administration. Teachers are leaving the profession in droves rather than "teach to the test", while the drop out rate continues to soar.

Sowell certainly has views. Lack of substantiation and honesty diminishes their substance, depite his valiant efforts to "shade".

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

That Sowell article was indeed interesting.
Here are some of his words:

Most blacks are working people and taxpayers, who are not benefiting from the welfare state programs of the Democrats or from affirmative action. Many live in places where they are more likely than whites to become victims of the violent criminals that liberal judges turn loose and liberal governors pardon.

Notice the shading.
1) Yes, blacks are working people and taxpayers (nod your head if you agree)
2) "Who are not benefiting from the welfare state programs of the Democrats or from affirmative action." Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't "welfare reform" occur under the Clinton administration? As far as affirmative action, I think that goes back to Johnson...but it certainly doesn't benefit caucasians.
3)...more likely than whites to become victims of the violent criminals that
liberal judges (unnamed, no case law cited), turn loose and liberal governors
(again unnamed) pardon. Nice try Sowell. Lack of substantiation to support this outrageous statement has a few believers that are not smart enough to see through this claim nodding their heads again. Others would demand specificty to the aforesaid claims, and rightly so.

The article goes on to attack teacher's unions. The greatest tragedy in public education, in my opinion as one who has worked in this field for a very long time, has been the enactment of "No Child Left Behind" legislation, passed by the current Republican administration. Teachers are leaving the profession in droves rather than "teach to the test", while the drop out rate continues to soar.

Sowell certainly has views. Lack of substantiation and honesty diminishes their substance, depite his valiant efforts to "shade".

All of Dr. Sowell's assertions have been extensively researched and meticulously documented ... by him ... in his books. He is one of the most respected and honored scholars ... held so by colleagues of all political beliefs ... in the country ... and indeed the world.

Today's column is a brief commentary which summarizes some of those research findings. If you want all the details ... read his many books.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

All of Dr. Sowell's assertions have been extensively researched and meticulously documented ... by him ... in his books. He is one of the most respected and honored scholars ... held so by colleagues of all political beliefs ... in the country ... and indeed the world.

Today's column is a brief commentary which summarizes some of those research findings. If you want all the details ... read his many books.

BB,
I'll take a pass about reading his books. His article does not provide documentation. For a "scholar" to put out claims as he has gains no respect from me.
At least I read the article you put out.
Now, I'm going to take my wonderful dog for a nice walk. Maybe we'll find some trees that will be spared the fate of becoming paper to become one of Sowell's books. I'll take time to talk to the tree. It makes about as much sense. And when my dog lifts his leg, his commentary on Sowell will confirm mine. Long live the trees!!!
Spare them the fate of becoming matter on which the words of fools are printed.

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

BB,
I'll take a pass about reading his books. His article does not provide documentation. For a "scholar" to put out claims as he has gains no respect from me.
At least I read the article you put out.
Now, I'm going to take my wonderful dog for a nice walk. Maybe we'll find some trees that will be spared the fate of becoming paper to become one of Sowell's books. I'll take time to talk to the tree. It makes about as much sense. And when my dog lifts his leg, his commentary on Sowell will confirm mine. Long live the trees!!!
Spare them the fate of becoming matter on which the words of fools are printed.

Let's take a look at the single paragraph which you so condescendingly denigrate ...

"Most blacks are working people and taxpayers, who are not benefiting from the welfare state programs of the Democrats or from affirmative action. Many live in places where they are more likely than whites to become victims of the violent criminals that liberal judges turn loose and liberal governors pardon."

1. "Most blacks work and pay taxes ... " They most certainly do. Are you asserting that a majority of African Americans don't work and pay taxes?

2. "[Working blacks] are not benefitting from welfare programs or affirmative action ... " They most certainly are not; working people do not ... in fact cannot ... collect welfare. Are you asserting that working blacks are also collecting welfare?

3. "Many [working blacks] live in places where they are more likely to become victims of violent criminals ... " This is patently true; areas with majority black populations suffer from far more crime than other areas ... with the overwhelming percentage of victims being black. Are you asserting that majority black areas have less crime than majority white areas? Or that the crime victims in those areas aren't overwhelmingly black?

4. "Liberal judges turn loose [violent criminals] ... " I would substitute the word "leftist" for "liberal" ... but other than that, this is another patently true statement. Are you asserting that liberal/leftist judges haven't released violent criminals?

5. "Liberal governors pardon [violent criminals] ... " Can you say "Willie Horton"?

If you'd open your mind and expand your horizons ... you'd soon realize how brilliant and insightful Dr. Sowell is ... and ... you might even learn something.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Let's take a look at the single paragraph which you so condescendingly denigrate ...

"Most blacks are working people and taxpayers, who are not benefiting from the welfare state programs of the Democrats or from affirmative action. Many live in places where they are more likely than whites to become victims of the violent criminals that liberal judges turn loose and liberal governors pardon."

1. "Most blacks work and pay taxes ... " They most certainly do. Are you asserting that a majority of African Americans don't work and pay taxes?

2. "[Working blacks] are not benefitting from welfare programs or affirmative action ... " They most certainly are not; working people do not ... in fact cannot ... collect welfare. Are you asserting that working blacks are also collecting welfare?

3. "Many [working blacks] live in places where they are more likely to become victims of violent criminals ... " This is patently true; areas with majority black populations suffer from far more crime than other areas ... with the overwhelming percentage of victims being black. Are you asserting that majority black areas have less crime than majority white areas? Or that the crime victims in those areas aren't overwhelmingly black?

4. "Liberal judges turn loose [violent criminals] ... " I would substitute the word "leftist" for "liberal" ... but other than that, this is another patently true statement. Are you asserting that liberal/leftist judges haven't released violent criminals?

5. "Liberal governors pardon [violent criminals] ... " Can you say "Willie Horton"?

If you'd open your mind and expand your horizons ... you'd soon realize how brilliant and insightful Dr. Sowell is ... and ... you might even learn something.

Oh, Crist... More Sowell being psyhco-regurgitated as patently true. Come on. Come out from behind the curtain.

Why do you think the Roadmap To Peace failed?

Come on. Gon;t be a coward. It's ok.

Ya needle.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

If you'd open your mind and expand your horizons ... you'd soon realize how brilliant and insightful Dr. Sowell is ... and ... you might even learn something.

OMG. This is repent. This reads exactly like repent. Totally taken with one man because it fits neatly into his worldview.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Let's take a look at the single paragraph which you so condescendingly denigrate ...

"Most blacks are working people and taxpayers, who are not benefiting from the welfare state programs of the Democrats or from affirmative action. Many live in places where they are more likely than whites to become victims of the violent criminals that liberal judges turn loose and liberal governors pardon."

1. "Most blacks work and pay taxes ... " They most certainly do. Are you asserting that a majority of African Americans don't work and pay taxes?

2. "[Working blacks] are not benefitting from welfare programs or affirmative action ... " They most certainly are not; working people do not ... in fact cannot ... collect welfare. Are you asserting that working blacks are also collecting welfare?

3. "Many [working blacks] live in places where they are more likely to become victims of violent criminals ... " This is patently true; areas with majority black populations suffer from far more crime than other areas ... with the overwhelming percentage of victims being black. Are you asserting that majority black areas have less crime than majority white areas? Or that the crime victims in those areas aren't overwhelmingly black?

4. "Liberal judges turn loose [violent criminals] ... " I would substitute the word "leftist" for "liberal" ... but other than that, this is another patently true statement. Are you asserting that liberal/leftist judges haven't released violent criminals?

5. "Liberal governors pardon [violent criminals] ... " Can you say "Willie Horton"?

If you'd open your mind and expand your horizons ... you'd soon realize how brilliant and insightful Dr. Sowell is ... and ... you might even learn something.

Obviously, you didn't read my response carefully. No "twisting of my words" will deny their truth.
Twist away! You must be taking lessons from Chubby Checker.

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Obviously, you didn't read my response carefully. No "twisting of my words" will deny their truth.
Twist away! You must be taking lessons from Chubby Checker.

Hank Ballard invented The Twist ... in Brooklyn.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Sorry BB to lump you in with those. I went back and looked and you are right, you used leftist and not liberal. My mistake. Those I have mentioned though have used liberal as a negative term which is my beef with them. You really need both sides, not just one.

Thanks for taking the trouble to do so.