Clinton Portis

Originally Posted by somerfrost

No, we could just let out all the folks serving time for non-violent crimes and drug use...there would be plenty of room. Bush has shown how well trying to impose our beliefs on other countries works...doubt that would happen.

So let out the Enron types and the coke dealers and put in the animal abusers and Kentucky Fried Chicken customers. Got it.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

So let out the Enron types and the coke dealers and put in the animal abusers and Kentucky Fried Chicken customers. Got it.

Na, keep the corporate folks who ruined thousands of lives where they are but there are a lot of folks in jail for not paying support, DUI, possession of various drugs and petty theft that 99% of the time come out of jail in worse shape than they went in. I don't know if you have a background in corrections or not but I've been there and seen things for myself. Your gross out-of-context rewrites of what I say not withstanding, our entire correctional system needs serious overhaul...but right and wrong aren't determined by number of jail cells. In Va, the punishment for felony abuse of dog fighting is 5 years I believe...are you saying that law should be ignored?

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Na, keep the corporate folks who ruined thousands of lives where they are but there are a lot of folks in jail for not paying support, DUI, possession of various drugs and petty theft that 99% of the time come out of jail in worse shape than they went in. I don't know if you have a background in corrections or not but I've been there and seen things for myself. Your gross out-of-context rewrites of what I say not withstanding, our entire correctional system needs serious overhaul...but right and wrong aren't determined by number of jail cells. In Va, the punishment for felony abuse of dog fighting is 5 years I believe...are you saying that law should be ignored?

DUI is a far more serious crime than dog fighting and has definitely ruined more lives. If it's lessened as an offense then you're practically giving alchoholics the right to drive while intoxicated which will lead to more accidents and fatalities.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

DUI is a far more serious crime than dog fighting and has definitely ruined more lives. If it's lessened as an offense then you're practically giving alchoholics the right to drive while intoxicated which will lead to more accidents and fatalities.

I agree with you that DUI is a serious offense and drinking per se ruins countless lives...the problem is incarceration has proven to be ineffective in dealing with same...we need earlier and better treatment and the use of technology to disable vehicles etc thus keeping drunks off the road. I'm not saying some don't need incarceration but I'm merely pointing out that aside from keeping them off the road for their length of imprisonment, little is gained.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

DUI is a far more serious crime than dog fighting and has definitely ruined more lives. If it's lessened as an offense then you're practically giving alchoholics the right to drive while intoxicated which will lead to more accidents and fatalities.

And...I never said to "lessen the offense" but that's not an argument for viewing dog fighting in the context of "no big deal cause there are worse crimes". Using that logic, we'd only punish murderers.

Originally Posted by somerfrost

And...I never said to "lessen the offense" but that's not an argument for viewing dog fighting in the context of "no big deal cause there are worse crimes". Using that logic, we'd only punish murderers.

Yeah but you want Vick to lose his job so I take it you want all offenders to lose their jobs. People that get DUI's, for the most part, don't lose theirs. That kind of mentality creates a welfare state where these offenders can't find work and end up on SSI. Who pays for that? We do. It's a little overboard, don't ya think?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Yeah but you want Vick to lose his job so I take it you want all offenders to lose their jobs. People that get DUI's, for the most part, don't lose theirs. That kind of mentality creates a welfare state where these offenders can't find work and end up on SSI. Who pays for that? We do. It's a little overboard, don't ya think?

Actually, a lot of folks who get DUI's lose their jobs and I doubt we'll see Vick on welfare but again, this is all a smokescreen. It's a rather obvious attempt to divert attention away from the issue here by arguing points that have nothing to do with the issue...here is my position:
Dog fighting is morally wrong
Dog fighting is illegal in all 50 states, a felony in 48
Vick has been accused of involvement
He is innocent until proven guilty so I'm not saying take action now
If he is convicted he should be sentenced according to the law
In Va that means 5 years I believe
It is my personal belief that the NFL should ban for life anyone convicted of this crime
Portis voiced an opinion
He also implied other may be involved including himself
This should be investigated
In any event, I disagree with Portis' pov and have said so
As a Skins fan, I'd rather he not be on the team...that however is not up to me.

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Actually, a lot of folks who get DUI's lose their jobs and I doubt we'll see Vick on welfare but again, this is all a smokescreen. It's a rather obvious attempt to divert attention away from the issue here by arguing points that have nothing to do with the issue...here is my position:
Dog fighting is morally wrong
Dog fighting is illegal in all 50 states, a felony in 48
Vick has been accused of involvement
He is innocent until proven guilty so I'm not saying take action now
If he is convicted he should be sentenced according to the law
In Va that means 5 years I believe
It is my personal belief that the NFL should ban for life anyone convicted of this crime
Portis voiced an opinion
He also implied other may be involved including himself
This should be investigated
In any event, I disagree with Portis' pov and have said so
As a Skins fan, I'd rather he not be on the team...that however is not up to me.

Michael Vick is a moron. Without a steady stream of income he would be bankrupt in two years tops.

He's the star athlete in any high school USA except he made it. The majority of the rest are either in jail or on parole.

Dog fighting is rampant in the south. Local law enforcement simply does not have the time, money, or manpower to crack down on it.

Proving Michael Vick had anything to do with dog fighting is going to be a waste of time. The evidence will be circumstantial at best and he has the money to fight it.

This is just another story ESPN will ride until another star athlete gets caught doing something stupid.

If the new commissioner keeps this up the NFL will look like MLB when it was on strike.

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Yeah but you want Vick to lose his job so I take it you want all offenders to lose their jobs. People that get DUI's, for the most part, don't lose theirs. That kind of mentality creates a welfare state where these offenders can't find work and end up on SSI. Who pays for that? We do. It's a little overboard, don't ya think?

So say you own your own business (which you may, I have no idea) and let's say that your business depends on not only service/performance, but image as well in order to be successful and you have an employee that is publicly charged and convicted of a felony. Is he or she still going to be on your payroll? I don't think anyone wishes anyone to lose to their jobs, all we want is the responsibility taken for the product we are paying for.....