Did Hard Spun clip heels with Street Sense?

slotdirt · #1 05-10-2007, 02:34 PM

Speaking of Hard Spun, how can you not love Larry Jones? I particularly like the quote where he says he told Borel if he goes to the left of Hard Spun, he's going to be running on the turf course.

http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=38874

somerfrost · #2 05-10-2007, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

Speaking of Hard Spun, how can you not love Larry Jones? I particularly like the quote where he says he told Borel if he goes to the left of Hard Spun, he's going to be running on the turf course.

http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=38874

LOL! Just so he doesn't get caught up with that like Woody Stevens did with Winning Colors in the Preakness...that kind of stuff is bad for racing!

slotdirt · #3 05-10-2007, 02:39 PM

Anybody have that overhead video saved somewhere? I am striking out on the NBC website.

moke0043 · #4 05-10-2007, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

Anybody have that overhead video saved somewhere? I am striking out on the NBC website.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmzjCLKTSKc

somerfrost · #5 05-10-2007, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by moke0043

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmzjCLKTSKc

Can't really see on that vid...again, it wasn't a factor just something of interest!

tector · #6 05-10-2007, 03:40 PM

What is the supposed conspiratorial reason for HS connections failing to even mention this (much less their failure to object)?

HS ran a great race, just a bit too fast early. The rest is crap.

somerfrost · #7 05-10-2007, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tector

What is the supposed conspiratorial reason for HS connections failing to even mention this (much less their failure to object)?

HS ran a great race, just a bit too fast early. The rest is crap.

Can you read or do you just like to make accusations? I think I clearly stated from the beginning that this was a non-issue merely something of interest. It COULD have been a problem but wasn't. Obviously the jock would have raised the issue if it would have impacted HS...SS was clearly by and winning the race. Nobody is saying anything other than it is part of the race and something interesting...would HS have finished a bit closer? Was he bothered even slightly? These are things to consider moving on to the Preakness!

cal828 · #8 05-10-2007, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

Anybody have that overhead video saved somewhere? I am striking out on the NBC website.

Look on the ESPN horseracing site. I think their video is the same as the NBC video. Shows the overhead just as the horses are rounding the turn into the stretch and Street Sense is making his big move.

MarkyD · #9 05-10-2007, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

Speaking of Hard Spun, how can you not love Larry Jones? I particularly like the quote where he says he told Borel if he goes to the left of Hard Spun, he's going to be running on the turf course.

http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=38874

Damm I lost 8K with HS getting beat, took a couple of days but I got over it. It seems like Jones just keeps emphasizing about that rail opening up. It's done, it suck I know, but he has to let it go.

#10 05-10-2007, 08:43 PM

I thought we had settled this issue but it has reared its head over on the about website. A fellow there named depalma is responsible for the quote at the beginning of this thread.

He claims that you can see the clipping on the overhead, which I am very doubtful of. I'll have to look at it again.

It has been pointed out that HS runs like this but subsequently it was pointed out by others on about, that a) he did not run like that in the Lanes End and b) he did not bob his head like that on a regular basis in the derby only when changing leads. (depalma on the latter)

I clearly saw HS on the video bow his head before reaching the far turn. Right after the announcer calls out SEdgefield and Teuf. Whta I am not sure of is whether HS is doing this every so often on the backstretch. THought he was but the buildings get in the way. Depalma is sure he didnt do this and only does this when he changes leads.

So the mystery deepens.

THe comment by Tector I dont see as meant to be antagonistic but rather a question as to whether if this was really a clipping some objection would have been voiced. I.e. since the jock didnt object probably it didnt happen, i.e it is circumstantial evidence that it didnt happen. I think that's a fair pt. .

tector · #11 05-11-2007, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by easy goer

The comment by Tector I dont see as meant to be antagonistic but rather a question as to whether if this was really a clipping some objection would have been voiced. I.e. since the jock didnt object probably it didnt happen, i.e it is circumstantial evidence that it didnt happen. I think that's a fair pt. .

My point was meant to question the logic of the author of the post originally posted elsewhere--if this incident, in fact, happened, logic would seem to dictate that SOMEBODY connected to HS would be complaining about it. I take their silence to be a tacit omission that it did not occur.

Peace be with you. Or, as Harvey used to say, may the horse be with you.

Kasept · #12 05-11-2007, 03:56 AM

Pino didn't say a word about any contact Saturday night when discussing the trip. You'd think it would have come up had there indeed been even the slightest brush or clip...

The Bid · #13 05-11-2007, 06:42 AM

Maybe horse got a little scared when SS came into his path, obviously he was tired, maybe he was a little sore. Who knows why he made that heavy switch, I dont think it was made by contact.

fpsoxfan · #14 05-11-2007, 09:13 AM

I'm a science teacher and from what I can see we have several forces at work here. There is Kinetic Energy which is the energy in a moving body, such as the wind, a speeding train, or a tractor trailer. When you are moving and one of these objects passes you, you can feel the wind or forces of this moving object. This can sometimes cause someone to take a funny step or go off course a hair. As Street Sense (speeding train), blew past Hard Spun (person or animal standing/walking/running near the train tracks) causing him to slightly alter his style. We could also get into inertia, speed and velocity, but it is what it is.

Linny · #15 05-12-2007, 11:13 AM

Watch the overhead again. It appears the SS's TAIL caught HS's nose when he crossed over. He flips his nose like they do when hit with a whip.

The Indomitable DrugS · #16 05-10-2007, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkyD

Damm I lost 8K with HS getting beat, took a couple of days but I got over it. It seems like Jones just keeps emphasizing about that rail opening up. It's done, it suck I know, but he has to let it go.

Damn, I lost 0.00K by HS getting beat....and I still can't get over about how the rail opened up for SS.

Jones might stop emphasizing it sooner or later....but, I would think it's something that will always be in his head for the rest of his life.