Overrated Jockeys

[SentToStud]

Fact is, you can't ride any pure speed horse from the inside the same way you can from an outside post. Doesn't matter if it's at 4/5 or 45-1. If you're outside you can break a half-step slow or choose to lay just off with still a clear path ahead of you. From the inside, no "in-race" options allowed. You either send hard or decide VERY quickly to tug and go around. I doubt TMB would have been good enough to go around Songster that day. I also thought Gomez was indecisive and laying about 1/2 off the top two down the back killed any chance he had. The only other explanation is that TMB just didn't run to his capability that day.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

WOW, poor JJ............

Could it be that none of those crows were gonna beat the winner yesterday?

Just a thought.........

So, the best horse won? Is that what you are saying?

Originally Posted by GPK

So, the best horse won? Is that what you are saying?

Kev I singled the winner in the pik-6 and have to tell you that Sly Diamond is a dime stopping dog. His only win came with the aid of a supremely speed biased sloppy track in which he made a ridculously easy lead. the horse ran the exact same race he ran yesterday a time or two before. Seemingly homefree and then grabbed. Hes a mutt, the kind who just plain stops no matter what the pace is. Trust me, thats not the last time hes gonna pull that act on you. The winner was given a bad ride as well, horrible to be exact. He had the winner to close to the pace off the bat and tried to put him in a drive on the backside(total stretch runner you should sit still on until the top of the lane) and he was wider than he needed to be.
The reason Cruz was on him is because hes a crazy rogue according to my clocker. Last time he was entered he was scratched in the paddock because he was so insane that he refused to be saddled. Thats the kind of horse that a top rider says no ****ing thanks when offered the ride, The two grand he can make for winning the race as opposed to a possible stint in a wheelchair just isnt worth it. My clocker said he had trained much better since the paddock incident and his first two sheet numbers were better than anything that anyone in the field had EVER run!!! You toss out the speed favoring sealed track he lost on last time and figure all he had to do was run down a dimestopper and the race pretty much went according to script. Trust me, Diamond Jim will stop on you again if you bet him and he actually was ridden to perfection. Kev he most likely has a breathing problem and the only way to get one of those horses home in front is to open up daylight and get so far in front that they cant catch you. If you try to sit chilly and slow down the tempo all it does is keep the opponents lapped onto you as you turn for home and when he feels that pressure he stops even worse.
I like to think I know a thing or two about watching races and trust me, that horse came home the last 1/4 in about 28, or slower than pacers at the Meadowlands come home in. Hes a dime stopper that i can guess with a HIGH degree of certainty has a lazy flap or palate who can't breathe real well in the lane. Forget him, hes Finger lakes bound after he wins that condition(if he ever wins it).

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Fact is, you can't ride any pure speed horse from the inside the same way you can from an outside post. Doesn't matter if it's at 4/5 or 45-1. If you're outside you can break a half-step slow or choose to lay just off with still a clear path ahead of you. From the inside, no "in-race" options allowed. You either send hard or decide VERY quickly to tug and go around. I doubt TMB would have been good enough to go around Songster that day. I also thought Gomez was indecisive and laying about 1/2 off the top two down the back killed any chance he had. The only other explanation is that TMB just didn't run to his capability that day.

This is more or less what I have been trying to say. Yeah Gomez has his share of bad rides like everyone else, but there is no denying the man is immensly talented. I just think this was a case more or circumstance than anything he did. I also think Baffert might have told Gomez to sit, or maybe they both came up with that, like with Behaving Badly, because in watching the replay he obviously takes a hold. I'm with you when you say that for TMB to swing 3 wide he wasn't going to run down Songster, who is a improving quality colt. Lets also not forget that Belmont, as usual on big racing days was a drag strip, and it was very difficult to pass horses. Songster got a perfect trip, and capitalized on it.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Gomez will probably always be the best 7/2 jock,but I can't single the guy ever again on a chalk(no matter how deserving.)That is my point here(I just can't trust this guy to elude trouble while on the best horse.)

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Gomez will probably always be the best 7/2 jock,but I can't single the guy ever again on a chalk(no matter how deserving.)That is my point here(I just can't trust this guy to elude trouble while on the best horse.)

TMB was sort of a tough single that day anyway.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

On a more important note,Kobayashi is getting ready to defend his hot dog -eating title on ESPN. LOL

[DiscreetCat=Monster]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Gomez' awful ride on TM BLING stands out like a retarded kid at a Spelling Bee.Anytime somebody thinks Gomez is a great rider,go to the Belmont web site.Click video,and find the race on the undercard of the Belmont this year.You can not be dumber than that.Sometimes the guy is smart as a potted plant.Sure ,he gives some good rides,but he ain't gunna make it up to ya when he blows a chalk ride.Oh yes,he will blow some more rides on chalk.Why? Because when he is a target,he is easy to get into trouble.Not in the top 50% of the smartest guys out there.Prado simply makes an a$$ out of him,and that will probably continue to be the case.When he costs you a bunch of dough you'll see.

Do you even follow the DRF or racing in general? Baffert said before they went to NY from Cali that they didn't want to run considering he drew the 1 hole. And that was before the race. then in retrospect he was right they all broke well but gomez cannot afford to send going that far and then let songster sit in 3rd and run by them when they turn for home. He was stuck and by the sounds of the interviews by baffert after the race he knew that was gonna happen. The horse never has won from the inside. It is just asking too much for a 3yo to go balls out for 7 F. You Sound like you need to read the form a little more before you pin a bad ride on someone.

OF COURSE I SHOULDN'T HALF TO TELL YOU THIS IF YOUR A TRUE HANDICAPER. I SINGLED SONGSTER on my Pick 4 doesn't take a genious to figure that out!!!

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

On a more important note,Kobayashi is getting ready to defend his hot dog -eating title on ESPN. LOL

That's big! I've had the news on and it's been all about the Shuttle. WTF? A little Liquid Nails and Duct tape should get that heap fixed up right proper.

Kobayashi cannot lose. Dogs, burgers, rice balls (20 pounds?!?) cow brains. Don't matter.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by LOSE=GLUE

Do you even follow the DRF or racing in general? Baffert said before they went to NY from Cali that they didn't want to run considering he drew the 1 hole. And that was before the race. then in retrospect he was right they all broke well but gomez cannot afford to send going that far and then let songster sit in 3rd and run by them when they turn for home. He was stuck and by the sounds of the interviews by baffert after the race he knew that was gonna happen. The horse never has won from the inside. It is just asking too much for a 3yo to go balls out for 7 F. You Sound like you need to read the form a little more before you pin a bad ride on someone.

OF COURSE I SHOULDN'T HALF TO TELL YOU THIS IF YOUR A TRUE HANDICAPER. I SINGLED SONGSTER on my Pick 4 doesn't take a genious to figure that out!!!

Another "one-week-later" guru. Tell us, please, if Baffert didn't want to run given the draw, pray tell why he ran? He didn't send, he didn't take back. He just sat there waiting to lose. Gomez waited too long or the horse wasn't good enough. And, yes, of course, WAY mad props to you for singling that 2/1 in that small field. Oooooo, so very daring. Do let us know when your 900 number is up and running.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by pgardn

IScavs. When the Frenchman got thrown by that horse over the rail at Keeneland I swear the horse was so tired of getting beat he hit the rail on purpose. The horse was dead tired and just had enough.

Horse was dead tired, but not of being beaten. It was a 2yo race with all first time starters. Tired, spooky, clueless baby.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by LOSE=GLUE

Do you even follow the DRF or racing in general? Baffert said before they went to NY from Cali that they didn't want to run considering he drew the 1 hole. And that was before the race. then in retrospect he was right they all broke well but gomez cannot afford to send going that far and then let songster sit in 3rd and run by them when they turn for home. He was stuck and by the sounds of the interviews by baffert after the race he knew that was gonna happen. The horse never has won from the inside. It is just asking too much for a 3yo to go balls out for 7 F. You Sound like you need to read the form a little more before you pin a bad ride on someone.

OF COURSE I SHOULDN'T HALF TO TELL YOU THIS IF YOUR A TRUE HANDICAPER. I SINGLED SONGSTER on my Pick 4 doesn't take a genious to figure that out!!!

Yeah,and people blew good money yesterday trying to beat Behaving Badly yesterday too(cuz she had the 1 hole.)Fact is that Gomez can ride just fine until you need him to do something for you.If you bet against the best horse(in hopes they will get into trouble,)you'll usually lose.Everybody is gunna use the 1 hole to justify Gomez being stuck there in a paralyzed animal mode.It wasn't an ideal post,but the horse is 5 lengths the best horse.The horse never is given anywhere to run,and still isn't beaten that badly.Think about it.He puts the horse in no mans land,and gee whiz Gomer Pyle..They seal him in (as he seemed to be asked to be,)and then the excuse is that he got sealed in? I don't understand the idea of getting sealed in,and then thinking he will get out(as the chalk.)Again,I think he rides horses without recognizing that chalk will be a target.He rode Bling asif he was 5-1,and would be able to eventually get out of that spot.Well,even money horses in New York aren't getting out of that spot.5-1 shots? Probably will.There is a difference,and he just is taking longer than necessary to learn this.Guy is mentally in the lower 10%,and physically is in the top 10%.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Yeah,and people blew good money yesterday trying to beat Behaving Badly yesterday too(cuz she had the 1 hole.)Fact is that Gomez can ride just fine until you need him to do something for you.If you bet against the best horse(in hopes they will get into trouble,)you'll usually lose.Everybody is gunna use the 1 hole to justify Gomez being stuck there in a paralyzed animal mode.It wasn't an ideal post,but the horse is 5 lengths the best horse.The horse never is given anywhere to run,and still isn't beaten that badly.Think about it.He puts the horse in no mans land,and gee whiz Gomer Pyle..They seal him in (as he seemed to be asked to be,)and then the excuse is that he got sealed in? I don't understand the idea of getting sealed in,and then thinking he will get out(as the chalk.)Again,I think he rides horses without recognizing that chalk will be a target.He rode Bling asif he was 5-1,and would be able to eventually get out of that spot.Well,even money horses in New York aren't getting out of that spot.5-1 shots? Probably will.There is a difference,and he just is taking longer than necessary to learn this.Guy is mentally in the lower 10%,and physically is in the top 10%.

LOL. Put f'ing Kobayashi on the horse and he wins. Gomez either waited to lose there or wasn't good enough. I'm sure LoseGlue knows that. He shouldn't "half" to tell us .

[SCUDSBROTHER]

According to you clowns,Bling should have been 3-1(because Baffert didn't like the 1 hole.)Gee,seems like people thought the horse was good enough to overcome it.Real easy,after the fact,to say a horse was a bad favorite,or a play against,or that the post made him unplayable.This is Gander style.

Originally Posted by LOSE=GLUE

Do you even follow the DRF or racing in general? Baffert said before they went to NY from Cali that they didn't want to run considering he drew the 1 hole. And that was before the race. then in retrospect he was right they all broke well but gomez cannot afford to send going that far and then let songster sit in 3rd and run by them when they turn for home. He was stuck and by the sounds of the interviews by baffert after the race he knew that was gonna happen. The horse never has won from the inside. It is just asking too much for a 3yo to go balls out for 7 F. You Sound like you need to read the form a little more before you pin a bad ride on someone.

OF COURSE I SHOULDN'T HALF TO TELL YOU THIS IF YOUR A TRUE HANDICAPER. I SINGLED SONGSTER on my Pick 4 doesn't take a genious to figure that out!!!

Well said, and I'm with you on Songster, he was a much better single than TMB. SCUDS is just sour because his handicapping was poor, not the ride.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Sweetness

Well said, and I'm with you on Songster, he was a much better single than TMB. SCUDS is just sour because his handicapping was poor, not the ride.

Yeah, there are no bad rides.Just bad handicappers.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

According to you clowns,Bling should have been 3-1(because Baffert didn't like the 1 hole.)Gee,seems like people thought the horse was good enough to overcome it.Real easy,after the fact,to say a horse was a bad favorite,or a play against,or that the post made him unplayable.This is Gander style.

No TMB was the correct favorite off of his PP's, but come on, 6-5 in a competitive race where the trainer is obviously uncomfortable about running. Maybe TMB wasn't 100% who knows, but Baffert who is usually as confident as can be tipped everyone off to this one.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Yeah, there are no bad rides.Just bad handicappers.

No there are both, as well as bad bets, and TMB was a bad bet to win in that race plain and simple.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Kobayashi is destroying the competition once again.What a star.54 dogs n' buns.A new world record.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Yeah, there are no bad rides.Just bad handicappers.

It was an awful ride. Nothing good was going to happen sitting 1/2 or 3/4 length off the lead on the rail. Had to send there, hang Songster 3-w then 2-w and try to last.