Put Over At Belmont??

[philcski]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

The legendary Gregg Matties gets a 66-1 horse to win his first start drawing off by 3 and looking like much the best....Waited for a day with nice pools? Sure he didn't take a lot of money, but what could Gregg honestly put down anyway?

ARE YOU F(@#*$%(#@*$KING KIDDING ME?!?

I feel sick right now... read back the posts from last Saturday, I played golf with him and we were talking about his entries for the week, said his entry on Sunday "had a lot of problems" and probably wasn't going to run well... and he said he had a firster that was live that he was entering on Derby day... and I totally forgot about it!

The dude was 0-33 on the year, and his top horses had gotten hurt. Glad he caught a break today, even if I'm too stupid to write it on my forehead!

[The Bid]

I cashed on that horse, Honor and Glory are so precocious, and they tipped that horses hand 3 workouts before his race when he zipped a 47 half. Followed up by 2 later works that ranked the slowest of the day. Real good put over job, but he didnt fool the entire world.

Didnt mean to redboard

[cmorioles]

This apparently will come to as a shock to some, so brace yourselves. Sometimes horses win at long odds and the connections are as surprised, or more, than the public is. If this was truly a putover, there is simply no way the horse pays 66 to 1.

[The Bid]

It was a put over, look at his work chart and the guys stats. There is no doubt they knew that horse could run, I doubt they were surprised

[cmorioles]

I put over usually involves at least some betting action. I don't see any here.

[The Bid]

Phil has a first hand account the horse was live per golf outting. The horses pedigree almost makes you stab at a firster, and the work three before the run was a monster move, followed by two dog slow works. To me it looked like they tried TOO hard to make him look bad on paper. Look at the form, it is one that you stare at for a while and try to figure out what they are doing.

[blackthroatedwind]

The likelihood that this horse was a putover is very close to zero.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Phil has a first hand account the horse was live per golf outting. The horses pedigree almost makes you stab at a firster, and the work three before the run was a monster move, followed by two dog slow works. To me it looked like they tried TOO hard to make him look bad on paper. Look at the form, it is one that you stare at for a while and try to figure out what they are doing.

It's my bad for not mentioning it. I totally forgot with the hoopla of Churchill to even look at the entries. Glad you made a score on him!

He was 66-1 because Matties was 0-33 on the year + didn't have much success with firsters, had a crap jockey up, and wasn't even for his main client (his brother). You bet $200 on his nose and it doesn't move the odds much in a NY pool.

[Skip away]

What you mean "put over"?

[hockey2315]

Runs back tommorow and I cam't figure out if he has any shot. . . Any thoughts?

[golfer]

From a TG fig standpoint, he would simply have to improve a bit off his debut 9, which is competitive with most of the field.