Put Over At Belmont??

randallscott35 · #1 05-05-2007, 11:06 PM

The legendary Gregg Matties gets a 66-1 horse to win his first start drawing off by 3 and looking like much the best....Waited for a day with nice pools? Sure he didn't take a lot of money, but what could Gregg honestly put down anyway?

blackthroatedwind · #2 05-05-2007, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

The legendary Gregg Matties gets a 66-1 horse to win his first start drawing off by 3 and looking like much the best....Waited for a day with nice pools? Sure he didn't take a lot of money, but what could Gregg honestly put down anyway?

Nothing personal Randall but you obviously have NO idea the ignorance this post displays.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #3 05-05-2007, 11:45 PM

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Nothing personal Randall but you obviously have NO idea the ignorance this post displays.

nothing new andy..........

philcski · #4 05-06-2007, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

The legendary Gregg Matties gets a 66-1 horse to win his first start drawing off by 3 and looking like much the best....Waited for a day with nice pools? Sure he didn't take a lot of money, but what could Gregg honestly put down anyway?

ARE YOU F(@#*$%(#@*$KING KIDDING ME?!?

I feel sick right now... read back the posts from last Saturday, I played golf with him and we were talking about his entries for the week, said his entry on Sunday "had a lot of problems" and probably wasn't going to run well... and he said he had a firster that was live that he was entering on Derby day... and I totally forgot about it!

The dude was 0-33 on the year, and his top horses had gotten hurt. Glad he caught a break today, even if I'm too stupid to write it on my forehead!

The Bid · #5 05-06-2007, 09:32 AM

I cashed on that horse, Honor and Glory are so precocious, and they tipped that horses hand 3 workouts before his race when he zipped a 47 half. Followed up by 2 later works that ranked the slowest of the day. Real good put over job, but he didnt fool the entire world.

Didnt mean to redboard

cmorioles · #6 05-06-2007, 09:37 AM

This apparently will come to as a shock to some, so brace yourselves. Sometimes horses win at long odds and the connections are as surprised, or more, than the public is. If this was truly a putover, there is simply no way the horse pays 66 to 1.

The Bid · #7 05-06-2007, 09:38 AM

It was a put over, look at his work chart and the guys stats. There is no doubt they knew that horse could run, I doubt they were surprised

cmorioles · #8 05-06-2007, 09:43 AM

I put over usually involves at least some betting action. I don't see any here.

The Bid · #9 05-06-2007, 10:02 AM

Phil has a first hand account the horse was live per golf outting. The horses pedigree almost makes you stab at a firster, and the work three before the run was a monster move, followed by two dog slow works. To me it looked like they tried TOO hard to make him look bad on paper. Look at the form, it is one that you stare at for a while and try to figure out what they are doing.

blackthroatedwind · #10 05-06-2007, 10:12 AM

The likelihood that this horse was a putover is very close to zero.

randallscott35 · #11 05-06-2007, 10:27 AM

Wow, you put 2 question marks on a thread and boy you take a lot of **** for it....B/c he didn't take much in the way of money he wasn't a putover, but I was surprised how professional he was....And for the record, I believe his last 2 works were the slowest on the tab....But thanks, hooves in particular for that nice post of yours. Some of you guys scare me quite frankly. Disagreeing with someone and then turning it into a question of ignorance is 2 entirely different things.

The Bid · #12 05-06-2007, 10:29 AM

Does that barn not play BTW, because it sure looked on paper like that horse had a little talent and the hand was tipped in the work pattern.

blackthroatedwind · #13 05-06-2007, 10:34 AM

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Wow, you put 2 question marks on a thread and boy you take a lot of **** for it....B/c he didn't take much in the way of money he wasn't a putover, but I was surprised how professional he was....And for the record, I believe his last 2 works were the slowest on the tab....But thanks, hooves in particular for that nice post of yours. Some of you guys scare me quite frankly. Disagreeing with someone and then turning it into a question of ignorance is 2 entirely different things.

Randall, you made a comment " but what could Gregg honestly put down anyway? " that displayed a complete lack of understanding...i.e ignorance. As I said, my comments weren't intended as a personal attack, but only the truth. Saying someone is " ignorant " about something they speak about is not an insult.

If you actually knew some facts about the person you spoke of you would understand the situation better. Sometimes making comments here without knowing any facts can be dangerous. In this case you put your foot in your mouth.

randallscott35 · #14 05-06-2007, 10:37 AM

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Randall, you made a comment " but what could Gregg honestly put down anyway? " that displayed a complete lack of understanding...i.e ignorance. As I said, my comments weren't intended as a personal attack, but only the truth. Saying someone is " ignorant " about something they speak about is not an insult.

If you actually knew some facts about the person you spoke of you would understand the situation better. Sometimes making comments here without knowing any facts can be dangerous. In this case you put your foot in your mouth.

I was more bothered by Hooves truthfully...I didn't think it was a putover, I just thought it was strange. And no I don't know the guy so he could be a billionaire---so I was wrong there. I know his training record and was basing it more off that. Silly me.

blackthroatedwind · #15 05-06-2007, 10:42 AM

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I know his training record and was basing it more off that. Silly me.

What would his training record have to do with whether or not they bet? And, come on with the " silly me "

randallscott35 · #16 05-06-2007, 10:44 AM

Money from training Andy. Again, I didn't realize the guy had mega bucks.....The same way I'd be surprised if Candlin dropped 50k on one of his firsters.

blackthroatedwind · #17 05-06-2007, 10:49 AM

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Money from training Andy. Again, I didn't realize the guy had mega bucks.....The same way I'd be surprised if Candlin dropped 50k on one of his firsters.

Who said he had megabucks? Let it go Randall.

philcski · #18 05-06-2007, 10:58 AM

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Phil has a first hand account the horse was live per golf outting. The horses pedigree almost makes you stab at a firster, and the work three before the run was a monster move, followed by two dog slow works. To me it looked like they tried TOO hard to make him look bad on paper. Look at the form, it is one that you stare at for a while and try to figure out what they are doing.

It's my bad for not mentioning it. I totally forgot with the hoopla of Churchill to even look at the entries. Glad you made a score on him!

He was 66-1 because Matties was 0-33 on the year + didn't have much success with firsters, had a crap jockey up, and wasn't even for his main client (his brother). You bet $200 on his nose and it doesn't move the odds much in a NY pool.

Skip away · #19 05-06-2007, 07:53 PM

What you mean "put over"?

hockey2315 · #20 06-08-2007, 05:20 PM

Runs back tommorow and I cam't figure out if he has any shot. . . Any thoughts?