Hard Spun's Condition.......Fit Or Fatigued

[Cannon Shell]

Like the horse, wary of the jock

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Like the horse, wary of the jock

I figured you were going to say "(Horse X) has no shot."

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I figured you were going to say "(Horse X) has no shot."

I am worried by a jockey that cant tell how fast he is going. I understand that there are some jocks that are not great in the mornings that are fine in the races but very few of those win the derby

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I am worried by a jockey that cant tell how fast he is going. I understand that there are some jocks that are not great in the mornings that are fine in the races but very few of those win the derby

Have you used Pino before? Any success with him?

He's won what, 6,000 races. He's far from incompetent, although the comment of "I didn't realize how fast he was going" is worrysome.

[docicu3]

Living in Maryland Mario is pretty well thought of on this circuit as a cagey middle aged jock with almost 5000 wins I think Chuck....

Do I have this wrong??? I mean is he considered top 10 or did he take his career as far as it could have gone?? Probably not but is he really that much of a liability because of the missed time???

Is there any chance that this was the plan all along to train this horse hard for 5 F thinking because his breeding seems to imply decent pedigree for 12 panels that the sheepish "I didn't think it was that fast" is just Pino playing possum and working us all. Was Carl obviously pissed at Mario ove rthe workout or was it less obvious trainer and jock were on the wrong page?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Living in Maryland Mario is pretty well thought of on this circuit as a cagey middle aged jock with almost 5000 wins I think Chuck....

Do I have this wrong??? I mean is he considered top 10 or did he take his career as far as it could have gone?? Probably not but is he really that much of a liability because of the missed time???

Is there any chance that this was the plan all along to train this horse hard for 5 F thinking because his breeding seems to imply decent pedigree for 12 panels that the sheepish "I didn't think it was that fast" is just Pino playing possum and working us all. Was Carl obviously pissed at Mario ove rthe workout or was it less obvious trainer and jock were on the wrong page?

Carl was probably happy with the work since he trains Street Sense! I just think that a jockey that does not ride in these types of races on a regular basis is more likely to screw up than one who does regardless of how many races they have won. It is a very tricky race to ride in because it is unlike any other. This year is really hard to figure because the pace picture is still unsettled.

[docicu3]

Please excuse the Carl for Larry typo. What an idiot I am regularly.....geez

[The Bid]

Jim,

I think you pretty much have Hardspun Pegged. Not a win contender, the breakdown you made is logical, and an off the board is in sight. Couldnt agree more.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Carl was probably happy with the work since he trains Street Sense! I just think that a jockey that does not ride in these types of races on a regular basis is more likely to screw up than one who does regardless of how many races they have won. It is a very tricky race to ride in because it is unlike any other. This year is really hard to figure because the pace picture is still unsettled.

Keep in mind a guy who has had live mounts several times hasn't even gotten a sniff, in fact I don't think he's even hit the board. (Johnny V)

I don't think Pino will "screw up", if the horse is good enough he will win, if he isn't he won't.

[todko]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I am worried by a jockey that cant tell how fast he is going. I understand that there are some jocks that are not great in the mornings that are fine in the races but very few of those win the derby

That is a seriously good point. We'll know what happened if Spun is leading by 10 going into the clubhouse turn .

[tycharles01]

Dominican got a chance if they decide to run on POLY

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by tycharles01

Dominican got a chance if they decide to run on POLY

Yeah, no horse has ever duplicated good poly form on dirt.

[tycharles01]

Not saying that just saying if it wad run on Poly he would be 4 for 4 on it

[Scav]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Yeah, no horse has ever duplicated good poly form on dirt.

Dominican has actually repeated his Churchill effort three back twice on the poly, same three numbers. I actually have him as a board contender now, orginally thought he was a rat but he isn't