Poss. Churchill race - who will be there?

[Round Pen]

Dont get mad here folks I was just trying to give you guys an opinion on the race in which I have no vested interest in. But I do wish you guys All the luck in the world.

I am not rooting against your filly I just feel she is still overmatched in this spot. if I were betting the race (which I am Not) I would Play the 2,3,4 In exacta's.

Comeon Guys you have to admit that a filly that broke her Maiden for 15K at Montaineer Park this is a pretty Ambitious spot.
From a handicapping Stand point She is going to have to run a lifetime best Beyer Just to hit the board. Plus the fact that she has never passed a horse from the 3/8.s pole to the wire does not bode well. One other point in order for Sumone to go wire towire here she is going to half to run a half somewhere around 46 and change and she has never shown she can do that.

And if I am wrong about this analysis I will be he first to eat a little Crow(it wont be the First time)

[onebadbeast]

Would YOU Like Salt And Pepper On Your Crow?

[ShadowRoll]

Originally Posted by Round Pen

Dont get mad here folks I was just trying to give you guys an opinion on the race in which I have no vested interest in. But I do wish you guys All the luck in the world.

I am not rooting against your filly I just feel she is still overmatched in this spot. if I were betting the race (which I am Not) I would Play the 2,3,4 In exacta's.

Comeon Guys you have to admit that a filly that broke her Maiden for 15K at Montaineer Park this is a pretty Ambitious spot.
From a handicapping Stand point She is going to have to run a lifetime best Beyer Just to hit the board. Plus the fact that she has never passed a horse from the 3/8.s pole to the wire does not bode well. One other point in order for Sumone to go wire towire here she is going to half to run a half somewhere around 46 and change and she has never shown she can do that.

And if I am wrong about this analysis I will be he first to eat a little Crow(it wont be the First time)

Sure we're a little enthusiastic in our appraisals of our gal, but there are several things going our way that make me think that she can, indeed, not only run a lifetime best Beyer, but also run in a style that fits in with this race.

First of all, you probably have not seen the pictures from when we got Sumwon at auction and compared them to recent pictures. Even in photos, its clear that she's flourished under Chuck's care. She's grown a bit and filled out, but she's also very fit (you can see it by the definition in the muscles in her rear end) and healthy (you can see it in the dapple of her coat). She might be in the best shape of her life.

Secondly, she's been learning how to rate, so her running style can be more versatile if the scenario calls for it, but she's also got some speed so she can try to steal it on the front end if the opportunity is there. And, she's learned how to change leads, which can add maybe a couple of lengths to her earlier efforts, which weren't that bad (her maiden win plus three 2nds).

She outran her odds two races back, and this last race was a throwout but a great conditioner, as can be seen from her last workout, which was her best one ever since we've owned her.

Finally, no matter what, we'll still love her because SHE'S OUR HORSE.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Round Pen

Dont get mad here folks I was just trying to give you guys an opinion on the race in which I have no vested interest in. But I do wish you guys All the luck in the world.

I am not rooting against your filly I just feel she is still overmatched in this spot. if I were betting the race (which I am Not) I would Play the 2,3,4 In exacta's.

Comeon Guys you have to admit that a filly that broke her Maiden for 15K at Montaineer Park this is a pretty Ambitious spot.
From a handicapping Stand point She is going to have to run a lifetime best Beyer Just to hit the board. Plus the fact that she has never passed a horse from the 3/8.s pole to the wire does not bode well. One other point in order for Sumone to go wire towire here she is going to half to run a half somewhere around 46 and change and she has never shown she can do that.

And if I am wrong about this analysis I will be he first to eat a little Crow(it wont be the First time)

why is it when some people are involved in something that they are excited about, someone (or more than one at times) feels the need to come in say something to bring everyone down? there are hundreds of races to cap, to offer an opinion. i don't feel that your motives here are pure as the driven snow-sometimes it's best if folks keep their opinions to themselves, i think this qualifies as one of those times.
you know, that old saying, if you can't say something nice, say nothing.... but for some reason you couldn't limit yourself to just saying 'good luck'.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Danzig

why is it when some people are involved in something that they are excited about, someone (or more than one at times) feels the need to come in say something to bring everyone down? there are hundreds of races to cap, to offer an opinion. i don't feel that your motives here are pure as the driven snow-sometimes it's best if folks keep their opinions to themselves, i think this qualifies as one of those times.
you know, that old saying, if you can't say something nice, say nothing.... but for some reason you couldn't limit yourself to just saying 'good luck'.

Zig, and other Partners, et al...

In some cases we've had people say things here, and elsewhere, with only one negative intent. 'Round Pen' though, I can assure everyone, DOES wish us well and has a world of knowledge on which to base his comments. He is involved in racing in a big way and has been responsible for many a good horse...

The spot Sumwon is in makes sense FOR OUR PURPOSES with the Stable, and that's what is difficult for a lot of people to see. I'll remind anyone looking in that there is only one person with an on-going FINANCIAL stake in Sumwon, and that is Chuck Simon. We bought her as a group, BUT NO ONE IS PAYING THE DAILY FREIGHT HERE, except Chuck. He has a plan and rationale for doing what he is with the filly and is keeping the Partners in mind while making the calls so we have maximum opportunity to get together at racetracks and he has the opportunity to offset his expenses.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Zig, and other Partners, et al...

In some cases we've had people say things here, and elsewhere, with only one negative intent. 'Round Pen' though, I can assure everyone, DOES wish us well and has a world of knowledge on which to base his comments. He is involved in racing in a big way and has been responsible for many a good horse...

The spot Sumwon is in makes sense FOR OUR PURPOSES with the Stable, and that's what is difficult for a lot of people to see. I'll remind anyone looking in that there is only one person with an on-going FINANCIAL stake in Sumwon, and that is Chuck Simon. We bought her as a group, BUT NO ONE IS PAYING THE DAILY FREIGHT HERE, except Chuck. He has a plan and rationale for doing what he is with the filly and is keeping the Partners in mind while making the calls so we have maximum opportunity to get together at racetracks and he has the opportunity to offset his expenses.

yeah, i know chuck is the only one at risk here financially...so i'm hoping that sumwon helps him out a bit! i just feel frustrated at times, when some who either don't know, don't understand, or just don't care about the why's of where she's running and come and put in their acidic two cents.

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, i know chuck is the only one at risk here financially...so i'm hoping that sumwon helps him out a bit! i just feel frustrated at times, when some who either don't know, don't understand, or just don't care about the why's of where she's running and come and put in their acidic two cents.

i'd say for most of us, this is the first chance we've ever had to be part of ownership? maybe even the last chance? who knows?
whether true or not id rather NOt read comments like R-P's. wish us good luck and let it at that OR don't say anything at all.

we had to cancel our trip to the race, you guys know HOW BAD it's KILLING me to sit here?.... geeeeez!

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Zig, and other Partners, et al...

In some cases we've had people say things here, and elsewhere, with only one negative intent. 'Round Pen' though, I can assure everyone, DOES wish us well and has a world of knowledge on which to base his comments. He is involved in racing in a big way and has been responsible for many a good horse...

The spot Sumwon is in makes sense FOR OUR PURPOSES with the Stable, and that's what is difficult for a lot of people to see. I'll remind anyone looking in that there is only one person with an on-going FINANCIAL stake in Sumwon, and that is Chuck Simon. We bought her as a group, BUT NO ONE IS PAYING THE DAILY FREIGHT HERE, except Chuck. He has a plan and rationale for doing what he is with the filly and is keeping the Partners in mind while making the calls so we have maximum opportunity to get together at racetracks and he has the opportunity to offset his expenses.

Exactly, and in the process we may have stumbled into one of the easiest $50K claimers you will ever see at Churchill Downs so I think people can forgive us for getting excited at the prospect of her actually having a shot at winning a race where we all thought she'd probably be in over her head.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Exactly, and in the process we may have stumbled into one of the easiest $50K claimers you will ever see at Churchill Downs so I think people can forgive us for getting excited at the prospect of her actually having a shot at winning a race where we all thought she'd probably be in over her head.

I guess there's two choices: start and work up through conditions, or take a bit of a high shot and drop down until you get into the comfort zone.

The first gets the filly claimed, the second doesn't.

[PeteMugg]

Originally Posted by Riot

I guess there's two choices: start and work up through conditions, or take a bit of a high shot and drop down until you get into the comfort zone.

The first gets the filly claimed, the second doesn't.

I totally agree. And as Shadow mentioned, we like to think she will be a better horse under the care of Chuck and crew.

[AeWingnut]

Sure hope no one got mad when I mentioned her last effort was a toss. My intent was to be supportive.

What she did at Mountaineer has nothing to do with what she will do under new managment. it's a new day full of promise.

I think Sumwon can earn a check this time. She'll probably be the favorite after the stable puts their money down.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Round Pen

Dont get mad here folks I was just trying to give you guys an opinion on the race in which I have no vested interest in. But I do wish you guys All the luck in the world.

I am not rooting against your filly I just feel she is still overmatched in this spot. if I were betting the race (which I am Not) I would Play the 2,3,4 In exacta's.

Comeon Guys you have to admit that a filly that broke her Maiden for 15K at Montaineer Park this is a pretty Ambitious spot.
From a handicapping Stand point She is going to have to run a lifetime best Beyer Just to hit the board. Plus the fact that she has never passed a horse from the 3/8.s pole to the wire does not bode well. One other point in order for Sumone to go wire towire here she is going to half to run a half somewhere around 46 and change and she has never shown she can do that.

And if I am wrong about this analysis I will be he first to eat a little Crow(it wont be the First time)

I'm sure if you had a horse like Sumwon , you would FEEL the same way we do...and put your HEART (that she will win no matter what) ahead of your MIND (handicapping angle). I think this explains OUR reasoning about your post.