Derby Wise Guy Horse

Originally Posted by Scav

yes, what has this horse but run a good second at Tampa Bay.

I am not saying he can't win, but he hasn't beat a race. I personally like horses that show me they can win a race, sometime in their life to bet to win

To address Pat, yes, and I am backing it up, The night before the Derby they allow pre betting and good ole Scav is going up there and putting $100 across on CQ, and putting him in all three spots of the tri with 10 horses (10x9x1,1x10x9, 10x1x9) so I am spending $570 on him alone, plus pick threes which I will play day of, and I will probably use 5 horses in the Derby with CQ being one of them. Don't care what the odds, they could be 5/1 and I would still play it

You sir, are a brave man.
Guess I may have to pull for him if you are going to do that.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by pgardn

You sir, are a brave man.
Guess I may have to pull for him if you are going to do that.

This following work will tell me everything I need to know, and what Haskin has to say about him. I am just not going to let a horse like this go off at 10 or 12/1 when he has the most talent in the race, bar none.

Originally Posted by Scav

This following work will tell me everything I need to know, and what Haskin has to say about him. I am just not going to let a horse like this go off at 10 or 12/1 when he has the most talent in the race, bar none.

Scavs my man he has got to have the race set up. If these horses get really strung out he is going to have a devil of a time passing one after another after another. Ya gotta hope there is a large pack of dead horses running together and the front runners pressing each other hard.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Scavs my man he has got to have the race set up. If these horses get really strung out he is going to have a devil of a time passing one after another after another. Ya gotta hope there is a large pack of dead horses running together and the front runners pressing each other hard.

He doesn't need it to set up, he has closed into soft fractions before. His turn of foot will put him into any race. I am far from worried about Pletcher having him ready. I will say this, WHEN CQ wins the Derby, he will NOT win the Preakness, maybe not even run in the race. Races take too much out of him to come back in 13 days.

Originally Posted by Scav

He doesn't need it to set up, he has closed into soft fractions before. His turn of foot will put him into any race. I am far from worried about Pletcher having him ready. I will say this, WHEN CQ wins the Derby, he will NOT win the Preakness, maybe not even run in the race. Races take too much out of him to come back in 13 days.

Scavs I really believe if he has to pass 3 here, 2 there, 3 more covering the rail and wider..., he is not going to get up. There are so many horses.

Huge set of gonads Scavs. But nobody can accuse you of holding back.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Scavs I really believe if he has to pass 3 here, 2 there, 3 more covering the rail and wider..., he is not going to get up. There are so many horses.

Huge set of gonads Scavs. But nobody can accuse you of holding back.

Pat, I want you to watch how he just ENGULFS fields, it doesn't matter how many he has to pass, as long as JV times that ride right, and keeps him straight and his lungs hold, hello winner circle

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Scav

Pat, I want you to watch how he just ENGULFS fields, it doesn't matter how many he has to pass, as long as JV times that ride right, and keeps him straight and his lungs hold, hello winner circle

come on man, put down the bong.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Scav

He doesn't need it to set up, he has closed into soft fractions before. His turn of foot will put him into any race. I am far from worried about Pletcher having him ready. I will say this, WHEN CQ wins the Derby, he will NOT win the Preakness, maybe not even run in the race. Races take too much out of him to come back in 13 days.

There is always some moron that will go fast in the Derby, I have no issues with getting War Emblem'ed or even going down in flames with CQ. It will take alot to change my mind. Everyone forgets that he has run well at CD, something that should never be overlooked. Which is why I like Zanjero also, I am actually considering a $25 or $50 exacta box with those two.

i think this years Derby is pretty clear cut, i am just waiting for final TG figures to come out, if I had to tout five horses right now they would be

Circular Quay
Zanjero
Street Sense
Scat Daddy
Hard Spun/AGS/Liquidity

Curlin = to the moon
Nobiz = style will hurt him and I refuse to bet Albert the Great progeny
Great Hunter = slow
Stormello = Give this horse to Pletcher and he wins the Derby by 10 lengths
Dominican = will use in the tri but dirt form sucks
Tiago = come on
Rattown Cat = COME ON TWO
Storm in may = thanks for the free table on Derby Day
Slew's Tizzy = can't win but might pull a closing argument and stay around alot longer then should
Xchanger = have no idea who this horse is
cobalt Blue = Come on THREE
Sam P = COME ON FOUR
Sedgefield = COME ON FIVE BIZILLION
T'berg = no comment

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Scav

There is always some moron that will go fast in the Derby, I have no issues with getting War Emblem'ed or even going down in flames with CQ. It will take alot to change my mind. Everyone forgets that he has run well at CD, something that should never be overlooked. Which is why I like Zanjero also, I am actually considering a $25 or $50 exacta box with those two.

i think this years Derby is pretty clear cut, i am just waiting for final TG figures to come out, if I had to tout five horses right now they would be

Circular Quay
Zanjero
Street Sense
Scat Daddy
Hard Spun/AGS/Liquidity

Curlin = to the moon
Nobiz = style will hurt him and I refuse to bet Albert the Great progeny
Great Hunter = slow
Stormello = Give this horse to Pletcher and he wins the Derby by 10 lengths
Dominican = will use in the tri but dirt form sucks
Tiago = come on
Rattown Cat = COME ON TWO
Storm in may = thanks for the free table on Derby Day
Slew's Tizzy = can't win but might pull a closing argument and stay around alot longer then should
Xchanger = have no idea who this horse is
cobalt Blue = Come on THREE
Sam P = COME ON FOUR
Sedgefield = COME ON FIVE BIZILLION
T'berg = no comment

so fired up I am quote myself when I meant to quote Pat

[PPerfectfan]

Well I know everyone posted there thoughts so her goes mine. I think Dominican is gonna be the "wiseguy" horse. And I hope he proves me right, cause I will admit, that damned Point Determined got me.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Scav

so fired up I am quote myself when I meant to quote Pat

Well Scav... you might want to re-evaluate because I'm using the same horses MINUS Circular Quay.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Scav

He doesn't need it to set up, he has closed into soft fractions before. His turn of foot will put him into any race. I am far from worried about Pletcher having him ready. I will say this, WHEN CQ wins the Derby, he will NOT win the Preakness, maybe not even run in the race. Races take too much out of him to come back in 13 days.

I must have missed that race.. Louisiana Derby, fast fractions. Juvenile, fast fractions. Breeders' Futurity, fast fractions. Hopeful, sizzling fractions.

I like Circular Quay as much as the next guy, and I agree that because he has such a strong kick, he's nearly a lock to hit the board, but unless a bunch of jockeys decide to go nuts on the front end, I think he's a tough pill to swallow on top, especially at about 8/1, which he'll be, not 10/1 or 12/1.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Scav

This following work will tell me everything I need to know, and what Haskin has to say about him. I am just not going to let a horse like this go off at 10 or 12/1 when he has the most talent in the race, bar none.

"and what Haskin has to say about him"

he's dappled and and strong on the rein? he says that about everyone.

i don't think you'll find a quote on 5 horses in the derby that doesn't include one of these.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

More talented than Curlin? Street Sense?

yes....While Curlin has been impressive he hasn't run with the big boys yet. Now, people are going to throw Smarty over on me but he beat some horses in NY that year that were decent so I don't include him.

I personally would be surprised if Curlin finished above 7th place