Derby Wise Guy Horse

Originally Posted by Scav

the horse has worked perfectly the last two times, the horse is fine. he just needed time and from reports, Angel told him the horse runs best off layoffs and just get him ready.

The horse is lock city to hit the board with his turn of foot, and most likely win

2 month layoffs?
You got him as a favorite? Holy Moses. No way Im going for 8 weeks off, Barbaro has not sunk that deep into my bones and that was 5 weeks.

[Antitrust32]

So to be a wise guy horse you are not allowed to win preps?

[Antitrust32]

If you are allowed to win preps my wise guy horse is


smack diddy (new nickname all credit goes to me!)

[hi_im_god]

we are far, far away from the title subject. just enjoy the ride.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

If you are allowed to win preps my wise guy horse is


smack diddy (new nickname all credit goes to me!)

How is he 'a wise guy'? the whole country is going to have that horse.

Definition of a 'wise guy' is someone who thinks they have more knowledge of something, and is a smart ass about it.

the horse can't be considered a public horse, which they most often do on Derby Day because everyone wants to play the wise guy horse

[SniperSB23]

Even though I will be betting him Any Given Saturday is likely the wise guy horse. Zanjero could be another but I have a tough time seeing him go off at less than 20-1 and can't really see a horse termed a wise guy horse that goes off at higher odds than that.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Scav

How is he 'a wise guy'? the whole country is going to have that horse.

Definition of a 'wise guy' is someone who thinks they have more knowledge of something, and is a smart ass about it.

the horse can't be considered a public horse, which they most often do on Derby Day because everyone wants to play the wise guy horse

this is better than enough beers to make homer simpson suggest i hit an aa meeting, a tab of acid, and spinning around in a circle 12 times.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Scav

How is he 'a wise guy'? the whole country is going to have that horse.

Definition of a 'wise guy' is someone who thinks they have more knowledge of something, and is a smart ass about it.

the horse can't be considered a public horse, which they most often do on Derby Day because everyone wants to play the wise guy horse

There will be a few horses at lower odds than smack diddy. I think Street Sense, Curlin, Nobiz, CQ will go off at lower odds, maybe a couple more (Great Hunter maybe, Dominican if somethin' weird happens) Why cant Scat be a wise guy horse!

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

There will be a few horses at lower odds than smack diddy. I think Street Sense, Curlin, Nobiz, CQ will go off at lower odds, maybe a couple more (Great Hunter maybe, Dominican if somethin' weird happens) Why cant Scat be a wise guy horse!

If Scat is less then CQ then I will be betting Scat Daddy even harder, he has an absolute GREAT pattern leading in this race, GREAT pattern

[Scav]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

No way Great Hunter goes off lower than Scat Daddy. I agree with your first 4, personally how you have them in order is how I think the odds will be.

Hoss, there is NO DOUBT in my mind that Curlin is the favorite, at probably 7/2. NO DOUBT in my mind. Crazy public wants this horse to win bad and won't let a bargin like a 7/2 favorite get away from them. NO THANK YOU MY FRIEND on Curlin. no thank you.

[jpops757]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I agree, I want no part of a horse like that at the odds. I'm on the Street Sense train. Can't get off now. As for the odds, sometimes the betting gets weird. Who would have thought SNS would have been the favorite last year?

That is why I think SNS was the wisefuy pick last year. Everything I used last year pointed directly at Barbaro and Pletchers Cat. The night before the derby I drank the Kool-Aide and fell for the wiseguy horse. All the talk was that regardless of his PPs Barbaro couldnt win because of some age old tradition. We all know what happened. The best prepared and the best horse won.. To me there are three horses that can be talked about and You could sub there name for barbaros last year, Curlin, CQ and maybe Dominican or SS, This years SNS is AGS. Beware every thing thats being said sounds like all the comments about SNS last year.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

So to be a wise guy horse you are not allowed to win preps?

yes, what has this horse but run a good second at Tampa Bay.

I am not saying he can't win, but he hasn't beat a race. I personally like horses that show me they can win a race, sometime in their life to bet to win

To address Pat, yes, and I am backing it up, The night before the Derby they allow pre betting and good ole Scav is going up there and putting $100 across on CQ, and putting him in all three spots of the tri with 10 horses (10x9x1,1x10x9, 10x1x9) so I am spending $570 on him alone, plus pick threes which I will play day of, and I will probably use 5 horses in the Derby with CQ being one of them. Don't care what the odds, they could be 5/1 and I would still play it

Originally Posted by Scav

yes, what has this horse but run a good second at Tampa Bay.

I am not saying he can't win, but he hasn't beat a race. I personally like horses that show me they can win a race, sometime in their life to bet to win

To address Pat, yes, and I am backing it up, The night before the Derby they allow pre betting and good ole Scav is going up there and putting $100 across on CQ, and putting him in all three spots of the tri with 10 horses (10x9x1,1x10x9, 10x1x9) so I am spending $570 on him alone, plus pick threes which I will play day of, and I will probably use 5 horses in the Derby with CQ being one of them. Don't care what the odds, they could be 5/1 and I would still play it

You sir, are a brave man.
Guess I may have to pull for him if you are going to do that.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by pgardn

You sir, are a brave man.
Guess I may have to pull for him if you are going to do that.

This following work will tell me everything I need to know, and what Haskin has to say about him. I am just not going to let a horse like this go off at 10 or 12/1 when he has the most talent in the race, bar none.

Originally Posted by Scav

This following work will tell me everything I need to know, and what Haskin has to say about him. I am just not going to let a horse like this go off at 10 or 12/1 when he has the most talent in the race, bar none.

Scavs my man he has got to have the race set up. If these horses get really strung out he is going to have a devil of a time passing one after another after another. Ya gotta hope there is a large pack of dead horses running together and the front runners pressing each other hard.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Scavs my man he has got to have the race set up. If these horses get really strung out he is going to have a devil of a time passing one after another after another. Ya gotta hope there is a large pack of dead horses running together and the front runners pressing each other hard.

He doesn't need it to set up, he has closed into soft fractions before. His turn of foot will put him into any race. I am far from worried about Pletcher having him ready. I will say this, WHEN CQ wins the Derby, he will NOT win the Preakness, maybe not even run in the race. Races take too much out of him to come back in 13 days.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Scav

This following work will tell me everything I need to know, and what Haskin has to say about him. I am just not going to let a horse like this go off at 10 or 12/1 when he has the most talent in the race, bar none.

"and what Haskin has to say about him"

he's dappled and and strong on the rein? he says that about everyone.

i don't think you'll find a quote on 5 horses in the derby that doesn't include one of these.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

More talented than Curlin? Street Sense?

yes....While Curlin has been impressive he hasn't run with the big boys yet. Now, people are going to throw Smarty over on me but he beat some horses in NY that year that were decent so I don't include him.

I personally would be surprised if Curlin finished above 7th place