Sumwon 'live'

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

They want to run her in a spot where she doesn't get claimed... running her in a 15k claimer most likely would allow that to happen. This filly is sound as a dollar... it would be a shame to have a sound filly like her get claimed. Her next start will be better. She probably needed the race.

having a sound horse is great, but usually after running a while a horse that doesnt have some type of issue even a small one probaly isnt running hard enough

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya

having a sound horse is great, but usually after running a while a horse that doesnt have some type of issue even a small one probaly isnt running hard enough

Hmmm... I don't agree. What about a horse like Devil His Due? Not running hard enough for you?

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Hmmm... I don't agree. What about a horse like Devil His Due? Not running hard enough for you?

were you around that horse everyday jamie taking care of it? how do you know if the horse didnt have issues even be it small ones, with a ankle, hocks, stifels, back, shoulder, etc etc etc?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya

were you around that horse everyday jamie taking care of it? how do you know if the horse didnt have issues even be it small ones, with a ankle, hocks, stifels, back, shoulder, etc etc etc?

I was

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I was

and that horse never had a single issue come up, maintenance never had to be done on the horse? obviously chuck you train and your knowledge far exceeds mine and basically anybody elses here when it comes to horse care but im interested how many horses have you trained that ran hard and actually made a profit for their owners on the track that didnt have some type of issue?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya

and that horse never had a single issue come up, maintenance never had to be done on the horse? obviously chuck you train and your knowledge far exceeds mine and basically anybody elses here when it comes to horse care but im interested how many horses have you trained that ran hard and actually made a profit for their owners on the track that didnt have some type of issue?

Of course every horse has an issue of some sort just as every athlete that competes in any sport has aches and pains. And the good horses have the same problems as the lesser horses. But what the issues are and how the trainer and horse deal with them varies greatly. Sumwonlovesyou is not without her little issues but they are far from major and she would be considered a sound horse. The one thing I learned a long time ago was that if you are going to have any success in most things in life you cant panic at the first sign of trouble. I have had horses run far worse then we did yesterday that came back and ran just fine. We know that she can compete at the 20 level on the dirt and poly. What we want to find out is what else she can do. We can always drop her in class or shorten her up.

Deil his Due was a freakin iron horse

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Of course every horse has an issue of some sort just as every athlete that competes in any sport has aches and pains. And the good horses have the same problems as the lesser horses. But what the issues are and how the trainer and horse deal with them varies greatly. Sumwonlovesyou is not without her little issues but they are far from major and she would be considered a sound horse. The one thing I learned a long time ago was that if you are going to have any success in most things in life you cant panic at the first sign of trouble. I have had horses run far worse then we did yesterday that came back and ran just fine. We know that she can compete at the 20 level on the dirt and poly. What we want to find out is what else she can do. We can always drop her in class or shorten her up.

Deil his Due was a freakin iron horse

nice post and i agree with what you say, if you start panicking and constantly second guessing it'll affect your performance. you took a shot a legitimate one yesterday and theres nothing wrong with that at all.........you dont know till you try. some people tho in this game as you know just get way too greedy!


a funny story in a way but not so funny for the horse. we gotta filly from some owners who we had to take to GLD just to break the horses N2L for a nickel. we had to twist their arm just to run her there to get them some money since she wasnt much. well she had no turf pedigree whatsoever but the owners insisted she did and the grass would move her up greatly so she was entered in a 25,000 n3l on the grass this fall here and she was eased and literally beaten 45+ lengths. we wanted to take her back up to gld to win her non 3 for a nickel insteada running in that spot, win it and find her a home to try and save the owners some money. well after the turf disaster we got her back up to gld for the non 3 and she finished 5th@4-5 and the owners got zilch insteada getting close to 4k which woulda payed 3 months of barn fee's for them

[SniperSB23]

Honestly I think she runs in the other division of the race and we have a very different outcome. No 22.64 opening quarter and no ground loss cause she would have been on the lead. Not saying she would have won the other division but she sure would have had a heck of a lot better chance.

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Honestly I think she runs in the other division of the race and we have a very different outcome. No 22.64 opening quarter and no ground loss cause she would have been on the lead. Not saying she would have won the other division but she sure would have had a heck of a lot better chance.

i thought nola ran a real nice race. i was there the day she romped at arlington and it was interesting to see mcpeek at arlington midweek saddling a horse

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Honestly I think she runs in the other division of the race and we have a very different outcome. No 22.64 opening quarter and no ground loss cause she would have been on the lead. Not saying she would have won the other division but she sure would have had a heck of a lot better chance.

agree, the other race ended up to be much softer. the opening fractions in the Sumwon race were swift.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

agree, the other race ended up to be much softer. the opening fractions in the Sumwon race were swift.

Dont forget that the other race was run right after the rain storm

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dont forget that the other race was run right after the rain storm

I knew it rained, but no clue how much. It certainly could easily explain the difference in times.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya

were you around that horse everyday jamie taking care of it? how do you know if the horse didnt have issues even be it small ones, with a ankle, hocks, stifels, back, shoulder, etc etc etc?

Of course a horse is going to have small issues...

But to say that a horse that happens to be SOUND isn't running hard enough is a bit far fetched. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of lower level claimers probably have more than just minor issues. To run Sumwon in a 15k claimer would almost guarantee that she'd be claimed. She is a nice horse, John and I think she needed the race yesterday and will come back strong next time around. I think that Chuck knows what he's doing...

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Of course a horse is going to have small issues...

But to say that a horse that happens to be SOUND isn't running hard enough is a bit far fetched. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of lower level claimers probably have more than just minor issues. To run Sumwon in a 15k claimer would almost guarantee that she'd be claimed. She is a nice horse, John and I think she needed the race yesterday and will come back strong next time around. I think that Chuck knows what he's doing...

not disputing chuck knows what hes doing, i think the filly and everyone who owns a piece of her is lucky to have him in their corner. class of a horse doesnt matter though as far as physical issues. there are many horses that do not run on the bottom and run in higher claimers, allowances whatever that are basically cripples! some horses are dropped to the bottom when theyre hurting so they dont have to try as hard but some of your soundest horses run on the bottom for the simple reason...........they unfortunately dont run a jump LOL!


shes a gorgeous filly jamie and i like her and enjoyed the camera time she got yesterday on the tv from the keeneland feed and was rooting my a$$ off for her. i agree with you she will be sharper next time out. again i dont think any1 would claim her for 15k unless if she runs for that next out and wins and runs back in that spot, but lemme ask you jamie do you think somebody would drop on her for 25-30k right now?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya

not disputing chuck knows what hes doing, i think the filly and everyone who owns a piece of her is lucky to have him in their corner. class of a horse doesnt matter though as far as physical issues. there are many horses that do not run on the bottom and run in higher claimers, allowances whatever that are basically cripples! some horses are dropped to the bottom when theyre hurting so they dont have to try as hard but some of your soundest horses run on the bottom for the simple reason...........they unfortunately dont run a jump LOL!


shes a gorgeous filly jamie and i like her and enjoyed the camera time she got yesterday on the tv from the keeneland feed and was rooting my a$$ off for her. i agree with you she will be sharper next time out. again i dont think any1 would claim her for 15k unless if she runs for that next out and wins and runs back in that spot, but lemme ask you jamie do you think somebody would drop on her for 25-30k right now?

She is a big good looking filly out of a graded stakes winning mare. It is April. She would be 1-5 to be claimed for 15 by a breeder looking to fill out his stallions book. I have claimed a fillies for people that looked a whole lot worse than her that weren't bred as well as she is for 30k at this time of the year.

[saucon17]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Of course a horse is going to have small issues...

But to say that a horse that happens to be SOUND isn't running hard enough is a bit far fetched. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of lower level claimers probably have more than just minor issues. To run Sumwon in a 15k claimer would almost guarantee that she'd be claimed. She is a nice horse, John and I think she needed the race yesterday and will come back strong next time around. I think that Chuck knows what he's doing...

Totally agree with you, It was the first time she ran under Chuck's
care. Now he knows a lot more about her, so i think we will see a vast improvement next time.