Did Anyone Notice?

[estreetposse]

Originally Posted by mortimerdexterfoxworthy

There are 27 performances listed there........by 27 different horses. No repeaters on the list.

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And what does this have to do ,exactly,with the price of tea in China?




Let's make our point,sir.

MR. MDF

Usually when talking 3yr olds, the point leads to those on the derby trail, if it is not the point then forgive me for reading in to it that far.

Lo siento Senor Emin Effer.

[packerbacker7964]

Flying First Class his time and speed number was a six furlong race at that. Many of these numbers are hogwash to me. Some are at a distance below a mile and some are a mile and change. To me it'll take watching the final two preps before I make my mind up and before I get into all of the numbers game. This will only the second time for Street Sense to race at the age of 3 and Curlin's 2nd time around two turns. So what we have here is alot of racing left to do in my book.

[King Glorious]

The point being made was how evenly matched this crowd is and how there is no standout among the group. Usually, u have a couple of horses that have put up more than one performance that places them on the board. None of them this year even have two placings on the board, let alone two in triple figures. The high figure among the colts is 107 in a sprint and 104 in a route. Let's look at last year's Derby field:

Keyed Entry had a 110 (sprint), 105 (route)
Sinister Minister had a 116 (route), 102 (sprint)
Point Determined had a 100 and 103 (both routes)
Showing Up had a 100 (at a mile)
Bob and John had a 102 (route)
Barbaro had a 103 (route)
Sharp Humor had a 102 (route)
AP Warrior had a 100 and 101 (both routes)
Sweetnorthernsaint had a 102 (sprint), 104 (mile), 104 and 109 (routes)
Deputy Glitters had a 102 (route)
Lawyer Ron had a 106 (route)
Brother Derek had a 108 (mile), 102 and 108 (routes)

From that group, there are 18 Beyer's of 100+ in races of 1m or longer. This year, so far there are 10. This year's high of 104 in a route was bettered last year six times.

The point I was making was to try to illustrate that this it not that good a group this year. There is consistency and there is the fact that last year's top 2yo's have been this year's best 3yo's. That's nice to see but it shouldn't cloud the fact that while they are consistent and evenly matched, they are below par for what should be considered a good crop. We've just seen a bunch of average performances by a bunch of average horses.

[quote=King Glorious]

The point I was making was to try to illustrate that this it not that good a group this year. There is consistency and there is the fact that last year's top 2yo's have been this year's best 3yo's. That's nice to see but it shouldn't cloud the fact that while they are consistent and evenly matched, they are below par for what should be considered a good crop.[quote]

HOw do we know they are below par? THese Beyer numbers are subjective adn they are a little bit self fulfilling if my undestanding of how they are arrived at is correct?

Until you come up with objective criterion to evaluate the absolute quality of a given crop there is no evidence of this.

I certainly agree this years crop is evenly matched to a large degree, what I dont agree is how we can be so sure this crop is below average.

Dont we have anythign objective? Final times, beaten lengths? Something?

[Mortimer]

Thank you KG.



That was good.

It's not exactly a dazzling group so far.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

The point being made was how evenly matched this crowd is and how there is no standout among the group. Usually, u have a couple of horses that have put up more than one performance that places them on the board. None of them this year even have two placings on the board, let alone two in triple figures. The high figure among the colts is 107 in a sprint and 104 in a route. Let's look at last year's Derby field:

Keyed Entry had a 110 (sprint), 105 (route)
Sinister Minister had a 116 (route), 102 (sprint)
Point Determined had a 100 and 103 (both routes)
Showing Up had a 100 (at a mile)
Bob and John had a 102 (route)
Barbaro had a 103 (route)
Sharp Humor had a 102 (route)
AP Warrior had a 100 and 101 (both routes)
Sweetnorthernsaint had a 102 (sprint), 104 (mile), 104 and 109 (routes)
Deputy Glitters had a 102 (route)
Lawyer Ron had a 106 (route)
Brother Derek had a 108 (mile), 102 and 108 (routes)

From that group, there are 18 Beyer's of 100+ in races of 1m or longer. This year, so far there are 10. This year's high of 104 in a route was bettered last year six times.

The point I was making was to try to illustrate that this it not that good a group this year. There is consistency and there is the fact that last year's top 2yo's have been this year's best 3yo's. That's nice to see but it shouldn't cloud the fact that while they are consistent and evenly matched, they are below par for what should be considered a good crop. We've just seen a bunch of average performances by a bunch of average horses.

KG, I've noticed this too... but the good thing is there's a lot of depth which negates some of the lack of truly "fast" performances. So far only Street Sense has run a legitmately fast race and even I'm willing to admit that number is questionable based on the circumstance.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by estreetposse

MR. MDF

Usually when talking 3yr olds, the point leads to those on the derby trail, if it is not the point then forgive me for reading in to it that far.

Lo siento Senor Emin Effer.

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