Problems are brewing...

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Honu

How many has that happened to that u own ? I have had horse flip in the gate and bust my tree on the tail gate and the horse didnt die. Had horses make the gap and go over the rail and bust my tree and they didnt die.

All risks of your chosen profession. As far as I know no horses asked to be racing.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

All risks of your chosen profession. As far as I know no horses asked to be racing.

Nope and nobody asked you to be an owner either .

[randallscott35]

Honu, have you seen Mike Smith ride? He should pay us to watch him.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Honu, have you seen Mike Smith ride? He should pay us to watch him.

Oh I totally agree , not a fan of his riding or his person . I would put Joy Scott on my horse first or scratch.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Honu

Oh I totally agree , not a fan of his riding or his person . I would put Joy Scott on my horse first or scratch.

Yes Honu. Chantal wins an occasional race also.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Honu

Oh I totally agree , not a fan of his riding or his person . I would put Joy Scott on my horse first or scratch.

I can tell you one thing about Mike Smith, when he was riding well in the mid 90's in NY he was good with his money. He always took care of us (the help at the barn)

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I can tell you one thing about Mike Smith, when he was riding well in the mid 90's in NY he was good with his money. He always took care of us (the help at the barn)

That is very good of him for sure , its always nice to be appriciated. My views of him on a personal level are from when he lived with a friend of mine and how he treated her, As far as his riding, I just have never been a fan.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Honu

That is very good of him for sure , its always nice to be appriciated. My views of him on a personal level are from when he lived with a friend of mine and how he treated her, As far as his riding, I just have never been a fan.

Well I never lived with him so I could understand the differing point of view. There was a time before he got hurt really bad at Saratoga that he was an excellent rider.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If you were married to his wife you would have been too

Not getting married Chuck. Nothing but trouble.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Not getting married Chuck. Nothing but trouble.

no comment

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Honu

Nope and nobody asked you to be an owner either .

I am not an owner. I am a bettor and thus am subject to the rampant incompetency of the riding community. Perhaps the riders would like to contribute to my insurance policy against hopelessly inept rides that cost me tens of thousands of dollars annually. I will be more than happy to contribute MORE to them ( as I already pay them by funding the purses from which they derive their living ) if they would help insure me against ghastly inept rides.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I am not an owner. I am a bettor and thus am subject to the rampant incompetency of the riding community. Perhaps the riders would like to contribute to my insurance policy against hopelessly inept rides that cost me tens of thousands of dollars annually. I will be more than happy to contribute MORE to them ( as I already pay them by funding the purses from which they derive their living ) if they would help insure me against ghastly inept rides.

Key words--- Mike Smith, Jose Santos, Robbie Albarado, Ramon Dominguez----they will be sending their kids to college on our dime in spite of Robbie going into the parking lot on the turn in every race he rides....Maybe they will get into Rutgers though I doubt it.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Key words--- Mike Smith, Jose Santos, Robbie Albarado, Ramon Dominguez----they will be sending their kids to college on our dime in spite of Robbie going into the parking lot on the turn in every race he rides....Maybe they will get into Rutgers though I doubt it.

Yep people screw up , trainers do , owners do and you as the gamble do too.
You fund peoples school tuitions everyday when you pay taxes and the crack head mom or dad on the street corner so dont give me that crap.

[blackthroatedwind]

And horseplayers are already paying the jockeys.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I am not an owner. I am a bettor and thus am subject to the rampant incompetency of the riding community. Perhaps the riders would like to contribute to my insurance policy against hopelessly inept rides that cost me tens of thousands of dollars annually. I will be more than happy to contribute MORE to them ( as I already pay them by funding the purses from which they derive their living ) if they would help insure me against ghastly inept rides.

Well, if you've been at this a while, the rides should even out.

Though their representation is awful, jockeys are at risk and it's not unreasonable to expect them to at least try to get tracks or other industry interests to contribute. Why would you expect them not to try to get a bigger piece of the pie if they can?

If you own a home and have someone over to fix your roof you either: a, require them to have their own insurance coverage; or, b, cover their risk yourself. How is a racetrack any different? If they wanted, they could deny jockeys from riding unless they showed evidence of insurance. Edgar Prado could probably furnish it. I'm not so sure Reymundo Fuentes could.

Saw some of your show. Nicely done...

[blackthroatedwind]

I agree about the rides basically evening out over time, though to be honest, the better your opinion the more subject to the vagaries of the game you are, as the better your opinion the more frequently your horses will be at least contenders.

I do agree about there right to coverage, and certainly about their right to get whatever they can, but it does anger me when it carries over to ANY increase in takeout to cover them. I feel in the right that we, as bettors, contribute AT LEAST enough, and it hurts me and angers me when anyone is trying to get more from us. It seems like the easiest route groups attempt to take as we have little to no representation.

Thanks about the show.

[Cannon Shell]

I think the thing that I am most worried about is them using a headline seeking politician (Ed Whitfield) to open up a can of worms through legislation that may lead to the interuption of simulcasting or worse. That will affect everyone in a really negative fashion. Using politicians to fight your battles is a very dangerous thing.
Plus someone please inform Mr. Manley that the jockeys in some jurisdictions have gotten a huge pay raise in the form of higher purses, just like the rest of us.
Dont forget that the tracks covered the Jockeys for years until the Guild screwed it up. They let the coverage lapse because they were going to blackmail the industry according to Dr. G.
Manley is playing a similar tune just with a less dramatics.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I think the thing that I am most worried about is them using a headline seeking politician (Ed Whitfield) to open up a can of worms through legislation that may lead to the interuption of simulcasting or worse. That will affect everyone in a really negative fashion. Using politicians to fight your battles is a very dangerous thing.
Plus someone please inform Mr. Manley that the jockeys in some jurisdictions have gotten a huge pay raise in the form of higher purses, just like the rest of us.
Dont forget that the tracks covered the Jockeys for years until the Guild screwed it up. They let the coverage lapse because they were going to blackmail the industry according to Dr. G.
Manley is playing a similar tune just with a less dramatics.

Excellent points.

[deltagulf]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I think the thing that I am most worried about is them using a headline seeking politician (Ed Whitfield) to open up a can of worms through legislation that may lead to the interuption of simulcasting or worse. That will affect everyone in a really negative fashion. Using politicians to fight your battles is a very dangerous thing.
Plus someone please inform Mr. Manley that the jockeys in some jurisdictions have gotten a huge pay raise in the form of higher purses, just like the rest of us.
Dont forget that the tracks covered the Jockeys for years until the Guild screwed it up. They let the coverage lapse because they were going to blackmail the industry according to Dr. G.
Manley is playing a similar tune just with a less dramatics.

agree 100% the guild is what went wrong.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I agree about the rides basically evening out over time, though to be honest, the better your opinion the more subject to the vagaries of the game you are, as the better your opinion the more frequently your horses will be at least contenders.

I do agree about there right to coverage, and certainly about their right to get whatever they can, but it does anger me when it carries over to ANY increase in takeout to cover them. I feel in the right that we, as bettors, contribute AT LEAST enough, and it hurts me and angers me when anyone is trying to get more from us. It seems like the easiest route groups attempt to take as we have little to no representation.

Thanks about the show.

Sure do agree about the takeout. I'll sign that petition.

Seems to me the racing revenues have been screwed up since simulcasting took off. All the tracks thought this was 'found' money and wouldn't hurt on-track atttendance and handle. It's pretty ridiculous that the host track running the races and incurring the expenses gets only 20% or so of these dollars.

On most Saturdays, the Dog track in West Palm draws 3,000 people. They're all betting Aqueduct and Gulfstream. They have to be wagering $250k on those two tracks alone just at the Dog track.