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Sometimes I think the reasons for banning substances should be changed.

Enhancing performance thereby a menace to the betting public is the basic driving force. But EPO is dangerous for the animals. It can have some very serious side effects. I guess this holds little water in the racing world as racing itself is dangerous. I think a little more emphasis on what this does to innocent animals might be helpful. The animals want to run, they are bred to run, I dont think they should have a the human version of an RBC enhancing chemical in their bodies.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Sometimes I think the reasons for banning substances should be changed.

Enhancing performance thereby a menace to the betting public is the basic driving force. But EPO is dangerous for the animals. It can have some very serious side effects. I guess this holds little water in the racing world as racing itself is dangerous. I think a little more emphasis on what this does to innocent animals might be helpful. The animals want to run, they are bred to run, I dont think they should have a the human version of an RBC enhancing chemical in their bodies.

No one does but the problem is that as long as it helps there are going to be a certain segment that is going to try to take advantage of it. The problems in trying these issues in courts are that they are far from serious crimes in the grand scheme of criminal procedings and as such often dismissed as such. The judge in this case thinks that the penalties he handed out are harsh. Do you?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No one does but the problem is that as long as it helps there are going to be a certain segment that is going to try to take advantage of it. The problems in trying these issues in courts are that they are far from serious crimes in the grand scheme of criminal procedings and as such often dismissed as such. The judge in this case thinks that the penalties he handed out are harsh. Do you?

I have serious doubts about how much it helps. I can see it hurting as much as it might help. The few controlled studies I have seen on this brings me to this conclusion.

In this state you can be thrown into jail for abuse of horses. Horses found underfed in fields can result in criminal proceedings against the owners of the land and horses. The racing entities that own the land could theoretically have a lawsuit thrown at them. Its a stretch, but lawyers can work wonders if prompted.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I have serious doubts about how much it helps. I can see it hurting as much as it might help. The few controlled studies I have seen on this brings me to this conclusion.

It works. Controlled studies are the same things that tell us that we should eat X then the next week tell us not to eat X and then a third controlled study will tell us that sometime X is good but some X is bad.
And if it did not work why did every biker take it?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It works. Controlled studies are the same things that tell us that we should eat X then the next week tell us not to eat X and then a third controlled study will tell us that sometime X is good but some X is bad.
And if it did not work why did every biker take it?

Because it is Human EPO. The stuff injected into horses is not horse EPO. And it may lead to very bad and then very good performances in humans. It causes sludging, illicits immune responses against it in horses... I have seen no evidence that it works in enhancing performance. Lots of stuff was and is used that is legal in horses that may or may not enhance performance. Some of the crazy things I have seen and read about sounds like baseball superstitions. Except I dont think horses are superstitious. So the possible mental effect is negated.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I have seen no evidence that it works in enhancing performance.

Actually you have but just did not know it

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Actually you have but just did not know it

I can think of a few years that were the golden age of EPO.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Actually you have but just did not know it

Have you seen a race with a horse on EPO that performed poorly? You might have and did not know it.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It works.

How do you know?

Maybe you have heard of very good performances after injections. Have you heard of very poor performances after injections? Bad performances after taking a substance that is supposed to work are often pawned off on another reason.

Its the same old stuff. In theory it sounds good. So people try herbal remedy or something else. It works on 1 out of every 10 people. It has no effect on 8 out of 10. And ill effects on 1 out of 10. Guess which results get trumpeted... check out the infomercials.