My Problem With Religion

Originally Posted by randallscott35

What's with the quote system? Seems out of whack. PP's has turned into mine.?

As if touched by the hand of Gaaawduh.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

As if touched by the hand of Gaaawduh.

LOL...Religion screwing something else up.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

As if touched by the hand of Gaaawduh.

PP...you speak Elizabethan?

Its a freeforall. Everyone gets their own interpretation, yes even with the Bible of what is bad and good. It gets tiresome, and dangerous.

If you dont accept Jesus as your savior now, you will go to hell. When exactly can you accept him, and what exactly does it mean to accept him as a savior? I have never heard so many diff. answers within the Christian church. So it becomes a personal belief inflicted upon others in too many cases. I dont like this. And maybe it does not matter what I like. But if there is not some overall justice in it all (some sort of fairness), I want nothing to do with it. Im tired of hearing 3 billion Chinese are going to hell.

And hell is and heaven is... lets all take a try at an explaination. What's wrong with admitting you dont know but having some sort of basic faith that does not have to be detailed. I think people should be allowed to say I dont know. I think people who preach to others should use, "I dont know", more often. I personally dont hear it often enough. Maybe Scuds is right, maybe its a southern thing.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Its a freeforall. Everyone gets their own interpretation, yes even with the Bible of what is bad and good. It gets tiresome, and dangerous.

If you dont accept Jesus as your savior now, you will go to hell. When exactly can you accept him, and what exactly does it mean to accept him as a savior? I have never heard so many diff. answers within the Christian church. So it becomes a personal belief inflicted upon others in too many cases. I dont like this. And maybe it does not matter what I like. But if there is not some overall justice in it all (some sort of fairness), I want nothing to do with it. Im tired of hearing 3 billion Chinese are going to hell.

And hell is and heaven is... lets all take a try at an explaination. What's wrong with admitting you dont know but having some sort of basic faith that does not have to be detailed. I think people should be allowed to say I dont know. I think people who preach to others should use, "I dont know", more often. I personally dont hear it often enough. Maybe Scuds is right, maybe its a southern thing.

Pgardn: For a starter, Romans 2 gives an answer for you about anyone who hasn't heard the Gospel. It's a fair answer by your standards,imho. And it's possible you've just been talkin to the wrong people

Timm.

If the answers were all in the bible I would be very pleased. But they are not. And too many people make up answers based on personal interpretations. Or we look to someone to show us a place to read to make up our own minds? or what they think we should see based on what they have read?

Maybe things are crystal clear for some. I have looked to closely at the history of this great work. In the context of the world we live in, and the world we think the people who wrote this lived in, and the number of times it has been changed, and revised. I have to go back to the basics and ask where did I learn all this. How did I come certain beliefs. And if I am true to myself, I realize with total comfort, that the variation is astounding and to say I dont know is just fine. Because I am only human with severe limitations on understanding so much. In my mind it cant be a sin to ask questions and not come up with answers. In my world, this is the way it should be.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Timm.

If the answers were all in the bible I would be very pleased. But they are not. And too many people make up answers based on personal interpretations. Or we look to someone to show us a place to read to make up our own minds? or what they think we should see based on what they have read?

Maybe things are crystal clear for some. I have looked to closely at the history of this great work. In the context of the world we live in, and the world we think the people who wrote this lived in, and the number of times it has been changed, and revised. I have to go back to the basics and ask where did I learn all this. How did I come certain beliefs. And if I am true to myself, I realize with total comfort, that the variation is astounding and to say I dont know is just fine. Because I am only human with severe limitations on understanding so much. In my mind it cant be a sin to ask questions and not come up with answers. In my world, this is the way it should be.

My concern IS that you'll be totally comfortable without coming up with the answer. You are a scientist,and the questions you face in various fields can be answered by the next generation(or the guy sitting next to you),but we are here for a short time and that question MUST be answered by everyone.

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

My concern IS that you'll be totally comfortable without coming up with the answer. You are a scientist,and the questions you face in various fields can be answered by the next generation(or the guy sitting next to you),but we are here for a short time and that question MUST be answered by everyone.

Science cannot and never will be able to answer many things I would like to know.

What is the question that must be answered by everyone? When must it be answered? And how did you personally determine the answers you will give me?

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Science cannot and never will be able to answer many things I would like to know.

What is the question that must be answered by everyone? When must it be answered? And how did you personally determine the answers you will give me?

P: what??? there aren't any Christian scientists?? The question everyone(expect the people I was talking about in Romans 2) has to answer is: What are you gonna do about Jesus? 2) It's gotta be answered while you're still kickin 3) Faith,Bible,Study, and experience(some of it is even empirical)

[timmgirvan]

PP.....you are a rascal!!

[randallscott35]

Well PP, he actually wasn't the father so I guess Maury could pull that show off.

[Danzig]

i just wish people would keep it simple. be good. be nice to people, don't be an ******* like rand says in his signature line. no one should have to preach to you (at you) for you to do the right thing. why does it have to involve a third party? why does some guy have to live a single, lonely life so he can tell you on sundays how to live?
i was raised a catholic. i haven't been to church in years, nor do i feel the lack. i've raised my kids to follow the golden rule. it's not rocket science!
do i believe a guy named jesus walked the earth? yes. do i think he set good examples about how to treat others? yes. what else do you need, or need to be told? all this judgemental crap...all the shooting, wars, crusades, it's all b.s. and the complete opposite of what religion is supposed to be about!