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06-24-2006, 04:15 PM
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What exact trash did I talk except for the fact that a layed off horse doesnt get kudos for being layed up. I give more credit to Lava Man for beating nothings on the West Coast than to a horse who didnt run for 9 months.
I never said this horse wasnt very talented. I know it and it looks like he came back strong and the rest of the older horses on the east coast are going to have their work cut out for them. 
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06-24-2006, 04:20 PM
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Tim you knocked his layoff and quite frankly you knock Todd all the time. What he did was brilliant. Hoy isnt won the 1st half of the year and it sure isnt won in Dubai. Its won in races like the BCC. He designed a second half of the year campaign aimed at having him dead fit and sharp in the BCC yet not over the top in his form. And unlike GZ's very brief 4Yo campaign, this one will also have stops at The WHitney and the Woodward, maybe the JCGC. In any case, the knockers on Todd and this horse are gonna have it shoved down their throats pretty good this year. This horse may have been teh most underrated horse I have seen in years last year. Perhaps I am biased because I was told my someone who would know that he had a legit excuse in the JCGC that the press was never really told about, an airway problem where he displaced or entrapped. You chuck that race and his Jim Dandy, Travers and ERSPECIALLY his BCC where he finished far ahead of soem damn good horses while making the HOY work hard to get by him(and earn a huge sheet number in the process) was exteremly underrated by the "experts", lol. He was only three, and not many three year olds run a race like that in the BCC. Hes going to be a terror from here on in and good luck to his opponents, they will certainly need it.
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06-24-2006, 04:34 PM
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06-24-2006, 04:38 PM
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06-24-2006, 04:40 PM
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06-24-2006, 07:55 PM
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I couldn't argue with that, so she bet him to win and made a little. I guess if your favorite horse is also the best horse in a race, it makes sense to play him. I'm not sure he'll lose this year.
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06-25-2006, 01:01 PM
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Presumable, when a horse comes off of a long layoff, it is only some percentage of its optimum racing fitness (80%, 90%, whatever), which needs racing to be developed. Therefore, a contest versus lesser animals gives a horse coming off of a lay-off the best shot of winning and these days, when any loss negatively influences stallion value, it is clearly the way to go.
Ooops. Should have read the WHOLE thread before I jumped in. Last edited by Pedigree Ann : 06-25-2006 at 01:07 PM.
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06-25-2006, 04:34 PM
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Joel,
I noted your response on Asmussen and smiled. See, you know the guy, so you have a pretty good idea that he is a great horseman. Steve is all class and a brilliant guy with an eidetic memory. Hes just a damn good horseman and businessman. yet the same questions have been raised about Steve as have been raised about Dutrow and Todd. Joel, I used to lead the "hes juicing the *********"!!!!!!! campaign. And I guess some of the guys I thought were jucing, were juicing. But I didn't know how much I didn't know. I used to help manage a stable for guy who is on your home turf. Picked out spots to run in, claims, who to hire as a trainer, etc. This guy has just awful knees. One day a couple of years ago a vet gave him something that is now patented to take orally for his knee. the pain went away and he hadnt felt that good in years. Its called lubrisyn now. Call Steve Allday what you will, but the guy is the best vet on the planet earth. hes arrogant but with that arrognace is a cunning and high drive to be the best at what he does. Soem of the guys people question have been using that product and several other legal products for years now. they aren't cheating, they just have acess to better legal stuff and the money to pay for it. I met Rick through a friend and he trained a couple of horses for Lansdon on the advice of my friend Joe P. I called him one day and bought him a horse. later on one day at Aqueeduct he asked me to go out to dinner with he and an owner ofhis after the races. So I stop by the barn and he gives me a tour. Now hes got a full barn. No grease pencil on the stalls, yet he knows every one of the horses by sight, not all tariners could do that. As we stop be each stall he tells me their last race Ragozin, and their lifetime best rag. Now I'm stunned, he is much brighter than I thought he was, as a matter of fact hes downright crazy intelligent. he learned a lot from his dad, and a whole lot more from Frankel, whose horses he used to house back before frankel had made a semi move back to NY. he cares for horses like you wouldnt believe. he also uses Rag numbers to spot em all and manage them. You havent met him, so you have the perception that he is a juicer. But you have obviously met Asmussen so you know hes bright. Ricks the same way, and like Asmussen he hates losing. Thats what drives him. You oughta meet the guy before you condemn him to being a juicer. I had the same opinion until I met him and saw what he was about and how he does it.
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06-24-2006, 04:37 PM
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Flower Alley is certianly the horse to beat this year. He has proven form whereas the 3yos still need to improve considerably to figure. Obviously, they will but I reckon there is still more to come from FA and as Oracle said, Pletcher will have him spot on BCC day±!
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