Minister's Bid

miraja2 · #1 06-22-2006, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Good luck to this horse, especially going long, against any good horses. He had a picture perfect trip, against two mediocrities, and was life and death to win. Where is he going from here? Yet another overhyped horse from the Ward barn ( anyone remember Stong Contendor? ).

Based on his sensational first effort if he is to make any impact it will be going shorter. Unfortunately, due to the lofty goals set for him, talking Haskell and Travers BEFORE this race, we are unlikely to see him in the King's Bishop. Not sure he would be close to good enough for that one but he would sure have a better shot than going long against tough horses.

Wow, I think you might be a little tough on this horse! Did he look like he was ready to win the Travers today? Of course not. But this was only his second lifetime start. Nobody is going to confuse the 2 he beat with Slew and Affirmed, but they are both pretty good 3yo to beat your first time going 8f & after a layoff. He has the pedigree to indicate he will stretch out and improve, and although the closing time was slow, he was pulling away in the final strides. Obviously he will need to keep improving, but to me he looks like he has the potential to do it. Today was a nice win.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #2 06-22-2006, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

Wow, I think you might be a little tough on this horse! Did he look like he was ready to win the Travers today? Of course not. But this was only his second lifetime start. Nobody is going to confuse the 2 he beat with Slew and Affirmed, but they are both pretty good 3yo to beat your first time going 8f & after a layoff. He has the pedigree to indicate he will stretch out and improve, and although the closing time was slow, he was pulling away in the final strides. Obviously he will need to keep improving, but to me he looks like he has the potential to do it. Today was a nice win.

I agree, and I think the fact that he was going 8 furlongs for the first time, and the fact that he was coming off a substantial layoff are huge considerations in evaluating this horse's performance. He beat two very nice, experienced three year olds in only his second lifetime start and can only improve off of these circumstances. Most of you know that a horse usually doesn't win his first race back after a layoff unless it is a special animal because most of the time, they are not completely fit and mentally prepared until the second start back. This one is definitely one to watch for. Flashy Bull and Racketeer aren't bad horses, that is for sure, and MB beat them quite easily.

randallscott35 · #3 06-22-2006, 05:10 PM

KYroses, there is only 1 "Bid". Let's not go there. LOL

kentuckyrosesinmay · #4 06-22-2006, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

KYroses, there is only 1 "Bid". Let's not go there. LOL

You're right. There will always only be one "Bid" no matter how good his son gets. Let's just hope his wonderful son carries on his amazing legacy.

RIP old buddy.

PSH · #5 06-22-2006, 05:16 PM

I think it is very foolish to knock a horse, any horse.
Minister Bid did the job.
Bottom line, he won....
He will only improve off that effort... where that leads no one really knows, but it is obvious he has some talent.

Charlie Whittingham said never know a horse until he is dead...
Minister Bid has not died yet....

PSH

Downthestretch55 · #6 06-22-2006, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

You're right. There will always only be one "Bid" no matter how good his son gets. Let's just hope his wonderful son carries on his amazing legacy.

RIP old buddy.

KY Rose,
Ministers Bid is not a son of Spectacular Bid.
He's by Deputy Minister-Princess Petrina (Spectacular Bid).
The one and only Bid was the broodmare sire.
DTS

Downthestretch55 · #7 06-22-2006, 07:18 PM

The story...thought you all read it before the race.
My bad, shoulda posted it before.
http://www.nyra.com/belmont/second.aspx?track=B&id=2102

kentuckyrosesinmay · #8 06-22-2006, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

KY Rose,
Ministers Bid is not a son of Spectacular Bid.
He's by Deputy Minister-Princess Petrina (Spectacular Bid).
The one and only Bid was the broodmare sire.
DTS

ooppps...grandson...

#9 06-22-2006, 07:38 PM

Ministers Bid looked like another overhyped Ward/Oxley horse, just like Strong Contender. Flashy Bull and Racketeert are slugs. They basically walked home. Bernardni's only 3yr old competition is going to come from a freshened Sweetnorthernsaint, a freshened Brother Derek or Showing Up. Those 3 are his only competition in my opinion. Corinthian is just too far behind the 8 ball.

TheSpyder · #10 06-22-2006, 05:18 PM

Yea, he won but did you see the way the jockey worked him for the lasy half of a race. To me he just past horses a little more tired than him and since they were in a speed duel together most the race he did not win with any resolve. Nice horse for a Thursday feature but didn't show me anything special. At least Strong Contender looked special even though he hasn't amounted to anything yet either. Nothing to hope for here as far as I;m concerned.

Hickory Hill Hoff · #11 06-22-2006, 09:57 PM

Not a bad race. Strong Contender II ? He just adds to a Spa meet with contenders for the Jim Dandy and Travers. From a betting stand point, it doesn't get better than that.

SCUDSBROTHER · #12 06-22-2006, 11:02 PM

Yea,it is not the race I was thinking I might see from him,but he beat stakes type horses fairly easily(although having to be whipped to do it.)He will have to be better than that,but it did seem as if he was not very cranked up by the trainer just yet.Very difficult to say just where this horse fits in as far as the 3 year olds go this year. He sure didn't look like a 2 turn horse to me,but his breeding says he is(and his trainer thinks he is.) If they wanted to win without blowing his wad,then mission accomplished.

JJP · #13 06-23-2006, 09:10 AM

I tend to agree w/Scuds here. Racketeer's last was on turf and his race before that was an experiment trying to rate so on a good day, he's only 2 1/2 behind Point Determined and AP Warrior so he's a decent 3YO. Same w/Flashy Bull. On paper there was very little speed in the race so it was going to be difficult to make up any ground. I don't know what some people on here were expecting but I don't understand the criticism.....I guess they were expecting a monster win margin ridden out. Get a grip. It was his first time going long, his second career race, and once Prado got him straightened out he leveled out pretty good in the final sixteenth. This is a very good horse.

blackthroatedwind · #14 06-23-2006, 11:40 PM

Well, Dicksie, not everybody can be as sharp as you.

By the way...Argentina is a money burner ( if you had the $5 you could have bought a Racing Form and seen that ) and Latent Heat will be 2:5.

Awfully kind of you to tout a 2:5 shot. Now THAT takes real genius.

blackthroatedwind · #15 06-24-2006, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

For those who liked Racketeer, you were a day early.

Best 3 year old in training runs today @ Belmont (Latent Heat). Well, I might have overstated my optimism, but I'm sure you catch my drift.

Argentina wins too. At least she'll be 2/1. LH probably 1/5.

I wonder what race Black was watching? I've always said this game is about being WRONG, not being RIGHT. The TALENT is wrong LESS than others. This guy (BTW) makes a zillion posts and clearly fits into the later group.

Wouldn't want you to alter this post.