Anyone See the Risen Star?

I don't think CQ's backers should be jumping off the bandwagon based on the final results of the Risen Star. This could be a blessing in disguise for his future pool backers.

17-1 and probably going up after finishing off the board. There's a lot of bandwagon chasers in the future pool.

Heading into the future pool I liked Street Sense and Ravel the most, but their odds are going to make them unplayable for me in this pool. (add in the fact that I'm moving half a continent away from the track I'd have to place the future wager at and I'm sitting this future pool out)

NoBiz is a tossout for me as the likely favored singular betting interest. Too many supporters at this point, and to me he looks like a horse I'd love on an off track (Go for Gin and Halo in his pedigree), but probably try to beat as the favorite any other day.

Risen Star winner Notional looks like a steal at 37-1. There will be some late money on him I'm sure, but again the breeding doesn't insprire me for a Derby winner. He was my pick for the Risen Star, but he doesn't fit my Derby profile.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

I don't think CQ's backers should be jumping off the bandwagon based on the final results of the Risen Star. This could be a blessing in disguise for his future pool backers.

17-1 and probably going up after finishing off the board. There's a lot of bandwagon chasers in the future pool.

Heading into the future pool I liked Street Sense and Ravel the most, but their odds are going to make them unplayable for me in this pool. (add in the fact that I'm moving half a continent away from the track I'd have to place the future wager at and I'm sitting this future pool out)

NoBiz is a tossout for me as the likely favored singular betting interest. Too many supporters at this point, and to me he looks like a horse I'd love on an off track (Go for Gin and Halo in his pedigree), but probably try to beat as the favorite any other day.

Risen Star winner Notional looks like a steal at 37-1. There will be some late money on him I'm sure, but again the breeding doesn't insprire me for a Derby winner. He was my pick for the Risen Star, but he doesn't fit my Derby profile.

ravel certainly has the pedigree to be a derby winner-if one won it on pedigree alone! have to admit notional looks as tho he came from the wrong side of the tracks after looking over ravels...

[Travis Stone]

A drastically premature move in the Keeneland race caused Street Sense to run a low number. If he had not moved so early, and instead utilized his kick at a later time, the number would have a few points higher which then would have made his BC jump easier to afford.

Horses run their best in optimal conditions, which he had in the BC. But the way won was overpowering and until I am proven otherwise, I respect him.

As for Circular -- he was totally eliminated from yesterday's race. You have to assume he would run better with a more clear situation. He is one paced much like the horse 'Crazy I've been mentioning. I think CQ threatens third at least with a better trip. Does this make me like him in the Derby though? Absolutely not.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

ravel certainly has the pedigree to be a derby winner-if one won it on pedigree alone! have to admit notional looks as tho he came from the wrong side of the tracks after looking over ravels...

What tracks you talking about, fella? I

n Excess is one of the leading sires in California and ranks respectably in the national listings. He's sired a Santa Anita Derby winner who was third in the Kentucky Derby (Indian Charlie), which has himself sired a champion in Fleet Indian.

Damsire French Deputy was a royally-bred (by Deputy Minister from a G1 winner) winner of the Jerome, sire of champion older male Left Bank, several G1 winners in the US, a 12f turf G1 winner in Argentina, and Japan Dirt Cup winner Kurofune. The latter's exploits so impressed the Japanese that they bought him, so you haven't seen so many little FDs lately.

Second dam Love Bunny won her only race and was by Exclusive Native, sire of two Kentucky Derby winners - Affirmed and Genuine Risk. Third dam won the Alcibiades and placed in the Kentucky Oaks.

Just because you don't see Storm Cat or Mr. Prospector or Seattle Slew in the pedigree doesn't mean that it is of lower quality.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

What tracks you talking about, fella? I

n Excess is one of the leading sires in California and ranks respectably in the national listings. He's sired a Santa Anita Derby winner who was third in the Kentucky Derby (Indian Charlie), which has himself sired a champion in Fleet Indian.

Damsire French Deputy was a royally-bred (by Deputy Minister from a G1 winner) winner of the Jerome, sire of champion older male Left Bank, several G1 winners in the US, a 12f turf G1 winner in Argentina, and Japan Dirt Cup winner Kurofune. The latter's exploits so impressed the Japanese that they bought him, so you haven't seen so many little FDs lately.

Second dam Love Bunny won her only race and was by Exclusive Native, sire of two Kentucky Derby winners - Affirmed and Genuine Risk. Third dam won the Alcibiades and placed in the Kentucky Oaks.

Just because you don't see Storm Cat or Mr. Prospector or Seattle Slew in the pedigree doesn't mean that it is of lower quality.

i said after looking at ravels-the two don't compare. but thanks for assuming i'm only looking for those three sires you mentioned. funny thing tho, i don't recall storm cat in ravels!!

i recalled left bank immediately when i saw french deputy btw. he was a fave of mine..

[ManilaRose]

Anyone know the Beyer figure of the Risen Star? Unless it isn't posted on DRF yet it wasn't a 94 or higher. Slow race either way in my opinion.