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blackthroatedwind · #1 02-03-2007, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

he won despite the jockey, first time that jara made a questionable ride on him.

The whole " Jara is a good rider " thing is total crap. He's a very mediocre rider at best. What he has been proving is that good horses overcome all.

To take a chance with a horse like that, in a spot like this, was foolish and should absolutely cause the connections to consider a rider switch.

Danzig · #2 02-03-2007, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The whole " Jara is a good rider " thing is total crap. He's a very mediocre rider at best. What he has been proving is that good horses overcome all.

To take a chance with a horse like that, in a spot like this, was foolish and should absolutely cause the connections to consider a rider switch.

he's not good? i've seen him do well--but of course the horse plays a part.
you don't think he'll be a top jock?

#3 02-03-2007, 04:51 PM

The best ride was by Cornelio V. The way he rushed up to close off the hole and then geared down to trap Invasor was a thing of beauty. If Cornelio V didnt do that then Jara prob would have angled out and won by 7 plus lengths. But what a heads up ride by Cornelio V.

Gauchos0522 · #4 02-03-2007, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 1 dollar pick 3

The best ride was by Johnny V. The way he rushed up to close off the hole and then geared down to trap Invasor was a thing of beauty. If Johnny V didnt do that then Jara prob would have angled out and won by 7 plus lengths. But what a heads up ride by Johnny V.

And thats why he is the best.

blackthroatedwind · #5 02-03-2007, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 1 dollar pick 3

The best ride was by Johnny V. The way he rushed up to close off the hole and then geared down to trap Invasor was a thing of beauty. If Johnny V didnt do that then Jara prob would have angled out and won by 7 plus lengths. But what a heads up ride by Johnny V.

Yeah, very heads up to shut a horse off when you have no horse.

I think that's called bad sportsmanship.

#6 02-03-2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Yeah, very heads up to shut a horse off when you have no horse.

I think that's called bad sportsmanship.

I didnt view it as shutting off a horse as Invasor wasnt in position to move to the hole. I see as it giving your horse the best chance of winning.

blackthroatedwind · #7 02-03-2007, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 1 dollar pick 3

I didnt view it as shutting off a horse as Invasor wasnt in position to move to the hole. I see as it giving your horse the best chance of winning.

I am going to guess that a rider of Johnny Velasquez's caliber knew full well at that point that he had zero horse with Magna Graduate. If not then he should re-receive his apprentice allowance.

randallscott35 · #8 02-03-2007, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Yeah, very heads up to shut a horse off when you have no horse.

I think that's called bad sportsmanship.

A page out of Bailey's book, who used to do it all the time.

Danzig · #9 02-03-2007, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Anyone just see the Rose family sneak in another 99-1 horse in the Gulfstream finale?

kelly and i watched, cheered him on! love to see stuff like that happen.

SentToStud · #10 02-03-2007, 05:00 PM

Jara will wind up doing just fine. Not a very good ride at all here but he's only 19 years old. Just wrong to say he's got no chance to be a top rider.
how good were any of the top guys at age 19?

blackthroatedwind · #11 02-03-2007, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud

Jara will wind up doing just fine. Not a very good ride at all here but he's only 19 years old. Just wrong to say he's got no chance to be a top rider.
how good were any of the top guys at age 19?

Top riders? Better than him.

He has a good situation with Kiaran and has gotten lucky. He's not a terrible rider but he's sure nothing special. On a day to day basis he doesn't help his mounts. This is not to say he's not competent, and he's certainly above most of the clowns currently masquerading as riders in NY right now, but he's at best a fair journeyman. That's no insult, in fact, if anything it's a compliment.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #12 02-03-2007, 05:07 PM

look for dettori to ride him in emerates..or maybee r hills

SniperSB23 · #13 02-03-2007, 05:20 PM

I don't think Jara is a bad rider (although he used bad judgement today) but I think his ride on Jazil has been soooo overrated in the Belmont. The horse ran the exact same speed the entire race. Any perceived move that Jara was making was just other horses tiring while Jazil plugged along at the same speed.

Anyone that could make weight and hold on for the ride would have won on that horse that day.

Danzig · #14 02-03-2007, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Yeah, very heads up to shut a horse off when you have no horse.

I think that's called bad sportsmanship.

and i agree with that! these aren't CARS these people are driving. horses shouldn't end up paying a price for a jocks ego-or bad decision.

he couldn't win, so try to keep invasor from getting thru? i hope that isn't what he was thinking...

The Indomitable DrugS · #15 02-03-2007, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Yeah, very heads up to shut a horse off when you have no horse.

I think that's called bad sportsmanship.

They are wrong Andy---Johnny V wasn't on A.P. Arrow, that was Kent D.

blackthroatedwind · #16 02-03-2007, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

They are wrong Andy---Johnny V wasn't on A.P. Arrow, that was Kent D.

Well, the rider of AP Arrow had more than a right to keep him from taking his hole. Of course AP Arrow didn't start running until he got to the outside but that's another story.

I haven't watched the race carefully. I'm still pissed Invasor got through at all as I wanted Zito to win a Grade 1.

randallscott35 · #17 02-03-2007, 05:37 PM

Invasor's only loss was to....................Discreet Cat. Collision course in Dubai.

#18 02-03-2007, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Well, the rider of AP Arrow had more than a right to keep him from taking his hole. Of course AP Arrow didn't start running until he got to the outside but that's another story.

I haven't watched the race carefully. I'm still pissed Invasor got through at all as I wanted Zito to win a Grade 1.

Invasor could have easily lost that race if the rail had not opened. Seattle must havehad his heart in his throat. By far the best horse but that is not what the chalk players wanted to see... a number of people must have been stroking out.

Danzig · #19 02-03-2007, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

They are wrong Andy---Johnny V wasn't on A.P. Arrow, that was Kent D.

why am i not surprised...

The Indomitable DrugS · #20 02-03-2007, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 1 dollar pick 3

The best ride was by Johnny V. The way he rushed up to close off the hole and then geared down to trap Invasor was a thing of beauty. If Johnny V didnt do that then Jara prob would have angled out and won by 7 plus lengths. But what a heads up ride by Johnny V.

That was Desermeaux who did that on A.P. Arrow....another one of his vintage crazed rides that he is only capable of.