Turfway

[The Bid]

Thast the only thing that gives me any satisfaction about the entire ordeal. Keeneland will take a huge hit at the sales during transition to Poly, it will change the entire breeding game. All the speed weve bred into the American pedigrees will be obsolete. Itll bite Keeneland right in the ass when people have cold feet at the sales due to lack of data.

I like a little variety too, train them on poly, and run them on dirt.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Thast the only thing that gives me any satisfaction about the entire ordeal. Keeneland will take a huge hit at the sales during transition to Poly, it will change the entire breeding game. All the speed weve bred into the American pedigrees will be obsolete. Itll bite Keeneland right in the ass when people have cold feet at the sales due to lack of data.

I like a little variety too, train them on poly, and run them on dirt.

It wont hurt the prices and may actually help sustain them by making turf horses more valuable.
Why the anomisity towards Keeneland? Outside of being a little snobbish there is little to dislike about the place

[The Bid]

I think it will cripple the sale Cannon. The median price of horses will drop drastically with sires being unproven on poly. I dont generally buy into the idea that turf horses like poly either, I think its a completely different surface all together. Also I dont think all polys are created equal, different composition.

At the very least there will be a very cool market in the median pricerange...between 30 and 150. How can you buy a horse by a sire whos unproven to produce a runner over a surface? I wouldnt do it and I buy every year.

Love Keeneland, I dont like politics playing a role in the games future. I think Keeneland getting involved with poly has forced it along, there should have been a period of tests, checks, and balances, instead of a rush to install POLY

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

I think it will cripple the sale Cannon. The median price of horses will drop drastically with sires being unproven on poly. I dont generally buy into the idea that turf horses like poly either, I think its a completely different surface all together. Also I dont think all polys are created equal, different composition.

At the very least there will be a very cool market in the median pricerange...between 30 and 150. How can you buy a horse by a sire whos unproven to produce a runner over a surface? I wouldnt do it and I buy every year.

Love Keeneland, I dont like politics playing a role in the games future. I think Keeneland getting involved with poly has forced it along, there should have been a period of tests, checks, and balances, instead of a rush to install POLY

I think you are buying too much into the effect this will have on the sales. Remember that the people who buy horses at the top end make more money when the prices are high. I have reason to believe that almost all sales over a million dollars have some kind of arrangement attached.
Plus a downturn in the sales market would be the good fortune of racing as it will become more affordable to buy quality horses and the incentive for the top end to go to the shed will be lessened.
Like it or not politics plays a huge part in the sports future, now more than ever, and Keeneland is not who we should be afraid of.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Top class California racing has fallen off markedly in the past few years.

A few very key big-name owners, who buy expensive yearlings, aren't around anymore---and many of the top South American horses that would be imported to Southern California, are now being bought up to run in Dubai and Suadi Arabai.

The years of South American horses running 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in races like the Santa Anita Handicap and Hollywood Gold Cup are over. If you look at last years UAE Derby, you had Simpatico Bribon, Gold For Sale, and Invasor--three horses, who in years past, probably would have found their way to California into a barn of a Dick Mandella, Ron Mcanallly, Eduardo Inda, or Bobby Frankel.

There have been several big performances by South Ameican invaders (many at a price) in this years Dubai Racing Carnival.

I'm not so sure if the rush to install polytrack at all California racetracks, wasn't in some part, an attempt to improve the quantity and quality of horses on the grounds.

[The Bid]

Alysia, top class
Zorin, nice
Impossible Ski, real serious
Eu Tambem, the goods
Fala Masa, Monster
Artic Sun, freak


THese are all serious horses in SA......Eu Tambem was bought up for 1.5
Impossible ski is tagged for 700
Alysai is 600 plus
Artic is beign shopped to Dubia

I dont see anyone jumping in to buy these South Americans anymore. Too many guys get burned.

Fot those who complain about Poly at Turfway, look at the numbers between dirt and Poly. The numbers aren't comparable. And I was one that voted to cancel the racing over the weekend at Turfway and I even had a horse entered for today. There much more than goes into cancelling a card that what people think. I am not blinded and don't think the track condition didn't play into my thought process, but for the most part it is because of the possibility of dangerous winds and cold temps. Better safe than sorry. Tons of money is lost when a trainer ships a horse and then the card is cancelled. Also it costs employees time when they are sent home and the operating costs go through the roof when you cancel a card mid-way.