Appropriate punishment for animal cruelty

[skippy3481]

They are going to rot in hell based on what... I know of very few religions that throw you straight to hell for killing an animal. And are we really debating whether to kill these two kids for killing a couple of horses. Was it wrong... of course its wrong and very grotesque, but that doesn't me we should strap them to the chair and fry them. What else should we kill people for?

Definitely some type of pyschological exam and treatment is needed.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by skippy3481

They are going to rot in hell based on what... I know of very few religions that throw you straight to hell for killing an animal. And are we really debating whether to kill these two kids for killing a couple of horses. Was it wrong... of course its wrong and very grotesque, but that doesn't me we should strap them to the chair and fry them. What else should we kill people for?

Definitely some type of pyschological exam and treatment is needed.

LOL Chad... I was being facetious in regards to killing them, but they definitely need (and deserve) a harsher punishment than what some are proposing. IMO, they deserve to rot in hell for being heartless. The kind of person that would do that is a vicious person indeed.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

LOL Chad... I was being facetious in regards to killing them, but they definitely need (and deserve) a harsher punishment than what some are proposing. IMO, they deserve to rot in hell for being heartless. The kind of person that would do that is a vicious person indeed.

I realize much in this thread is "tongue-in-cheek" nevertheless, the viciousness of the "recommendations" causes me more concern than the act.
For those folks who believe in hell and see it as a place of eternal torment, sentencing anyone to such a fate...well, that's why they burned witches in the past...cause they believed that such actions insured that they would burn in hell.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I realize much in this thread is "tongue-in-cheek" nevertheless, the viciousness of the "recommendations" causes me more concern than the act.
For those folks who believe in hell and see it as a place of eternal torment, sentencing anyone to such a fate...well, that's why they burned witches in the past...cause they believed that such actions insured that they would burn in hell.

I believe that only God determines who will burn in hell. I respect your beliefs, but I don't think that any one of us can sentence anyone.

[skippy3481]

Jamie they don't deserve to rot in hell and you know it. Your willing to codemn them for one act of complete stupidity to a life of eternal damnation. That sounds like a fair trade to me. Do they deserved to be punished, of course they committed a crime, but what do you think is really the right course of action. If we lock them up for 20 years they'll come out and be useless to society. However, if we as a society, take the time to counsel these kids and educate them, we might make decent humans out of them. By simply putting them in jail we are taking the accountability out of our hands and just hoping that prison will fix them.... Wow i can't believe i agreed with somer, sorry somer will never happen again...

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by skippy3481

Jamie they don't deserve to rot in hell and you know it. Your willing to codemn them for one act of complete stupidity to a life of eternal damnation. That sounds like a fair trade to me. Do they deserved to be punished, of course they committed a crime, but what do you think is really the right course of action. If we lock them up for 20 years they'll come out and be useless to society. However, if we as a society, take the time to counsel these kids and educate them, we might make decent humans out of them. By simply putting them in jail we are taking the accountability out of our hands and just hoping that prison will fix them.... Wow i can't believe i agreed with somer, sorry somer will never happen again...

Sure it will....anyway, no offense taken, lol!

Originally Posted by skippy3481

...Your willing to codemn them for one act of complete stupidity to a life of eternal damnation....

This is the thing that stood out to me the most. Why is it that people are so unwilling to see malice for what it is? I don't understand the phenomenon of wanting to put euphemisms on the cruel things humans do. "Stupidity" means that something was done accidentally or without understanding that the action would produce pain within another living being. But here you have several horses being shot dozens of times, which certainly indicates intent instead of an accident, and you also have one of the boys saying that he had been injured by a horse in the past and wanted to shoot the horses, which certainly indicates that he KNEW full well his actions would cause harm and pain to the horses.

On top of that, I think the movement towards infantilizing anyone under the age of 18 is foolish. Yes, someone who's 16 may not have the same mind of a 25 year old, but they're not going to automatically learn to behave when they celebrate their 18th birthday if society continually sends the message that "oh you're just a kid, so obviously you didn't mean to do anything wrong." You have to teach and enforce the right behavior as early as possible. You can tell a kid about the difference between right and wrong, but unless you punish the bad behavior and reward the good behavior, they'll never have any incentive to actually practice the desired behavior. It seems to me our society is making it harder and harder for kids to become mature, functional adults by saying nothing's ever their fault and allowing them to get away with irresponsible, cruel actions.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Gemtwyst

This is the thing that stood out to me the most. Why is it that people are so unwilling to see malice for what it is? I don't understand the phenomenon of wanting to put euphemisms on the cruel things humans do. "Stupidity" means that something was done accidentally or without understanding that the action would produce pain within another living being. But here you have several horses being shot dozens of times, which certainly indicates intent instead of an accident, and you also have one of the boys saying that he had been injured by a horse in the past and wanted to shoot the horses, which certainly indicates that he KNEW full well his actions would cause harm and pain to the horses.

On top of that, I think the movement towards infantilizing anyone under the age of 18 is foolish. Yes, someone who's 16 may not have the same mind of a 25 year old, but they're not going to automatically learn to behave when they celebrate their 18th birthday if society continually sends the message that "oh you're just a kid, so obviously you didn't mean to do anything wrong." You have to teach and enforce the right behavior as early as possible. You can tell a kid about the difference between right and wrong, but unless you punish the bad behavior and reward the good behavior, they'll never have any incentive to actually practice the desired behavior. It seems to me our society is making it harder and harder for kids to become mature, functional adults by saying nothing's ever their fault and allowing them to get away with irresponsible, cruel actions.

Wow...you took a huge leap there! I'm not saying that a person isn't responsible for his/her behavior...we all are regardless of circumstances! It's called free will, we all have it and that means we are each responsible for everything we do. Nobody condones cruel behavior such as this, the difference lies in how best to deal with same. Lets be honest..."spare the rod and spoil the child" has been society's answer forever...and it hasn't worked. People change only when they want to change and find the inner strength to do so...no amount of punishment by society can change a person's soul...you can restrict, even eliminate overt actions but until people learn to respect life and the rights of others, you are only covering up the cancer not curing it. It isn't government's role to punish or kill people, rather it must protect and help! We lock folks up in massive prisons and they come out worse than they went in...that's a cold hard fact! And we are supposedly a civilized society yet we often sanction murdering children...ok, we call it capital punishment. When someone says that a child should be treated as an adult, that goes against the basic fact that a child is NOT an adult. There is evil in the world and it must be fought...there are evil people and those that may not be evil but succumb to evil's call that must be defeated, but that's not the same as saying that we have some right to our pound of flesh just cause someone's actions offend us. It's way past time that we stop focusing on punishing behavior and start working on eliminating the causes...yes, these kids committed heinous acts of cruelty and there must be consequences...but nobody benefits from bloodlust!

[randallscott35]

17 is an adult to me.

[The Bid]

Would you sleep with a 17 year old girl randall?