Street Sense moves to the top of the Dispatch Derby Poll

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Carson City is actually one of the last names you'd want to see in the up-close pedigree of a Derby Prospect....in my opinion.

Barbaro was by Dynaformer (Stamina) and from a female family laced with stamina.

IMO, Stormello is not as talented as Brother Derek was at this point last year, and much like BD, he looks like an early developing type, who's already polished, and doesn't have much room for future improvement.

I believe he's rated that high because he won the Norfolk and Hollywood Futurity--the top two West Coast races for 2yo's around two turns. The same two races Brother Derek won last year.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Carson City is actually one of the last names you'd want to see in the up-close pedigree of a Derby Prospect....in my opinion.

Barbaro was by Dynaformer (Stamina) and from a female family laced with stamina.

IMO, Stormello is not as talented as Brother Derek was at this point last year, and much like BD, he looks like an early developing type, who's already polished, and doesn't have much room for future improvement.

I believe he's rated that high because he won the Norfolk and Hollywood Futurity--the top two West Coast races for 2yo's around two turns. The same two races Brother Derek won last year.

Thanks for your thoughts. Precisely why I asked.

[Travis Stone]

What's going to be exciting about this is seeing how these horses move down and up the list. Stormello will probably drop down given these thoughts...

As for a t-shirt, when they win a $2 million horse race, the last they want from us is a t-shirt!

But we'll send one anyway.

[slotdirt]

I still love Hard Spun.

[randallscott35]

On record from the week after the BC that Street Sense won't be in the gate on Derby Day and will never run a negative thoro again, definitely not within his 3 yr old season. Too much, too soon. We'll see what happens.

[blackthroatedwind]

Well, I don't know enough about the Thorograph numbers to comment on his future numbers, but I prefer good horses, like Street Sense, than slow ones and think all this " he ran too fast too soon " stuff makes absolutely no sense. Surely it's easier to pick one horse, even like Street Sense, and be right when he doesn't live up to expectations, and certainly his BC performance was enhanced by a perfect trip, but he still seems like a good horse. Just not as good, perhaps, as Nobizlikeshowbiz.

I think the problem is we haven't seen enough genuinely good horses in the past decade and too many doped up flashes in the pan. Ya know, Easy Goer ran a 116 Beyer fig in the Champagne and he turned out OK. Point Given ran some pretty good races as a 2YO and he turned out OK as well. While I'm sure they're the only ones at least they prove anything's possible.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Well, I don't know enough about the Thorograph numbers to comment on his future numbers, but I prefer good horses, like Street Sense, than slow ones and think all this " he ran too fast too soon " stuff makes absolutely no sense. Surely it's easier to pick one horse, even like Street Sense, and be right when he doesn't live up to expectations, and certainly his BC performance was enhanced by a perfect trip, but he still seems like a good horse. Just not as good, perhaps, as Nobizlikeshowbiz.

I think the problem is we haven't seen enough genuinely good horses in the past decade and too many doped up flashes in the pan. Ya know, Easy Goer ran a 116 Beyer fig in the Champagne and he turned out OK. Point Given ran some pretty good races as a 2YO and he turned out OK as well. While I'm sure they're the only ones at least they prove anything's possible.

I agree but the call is for the rest of his career, as well as his entire 3 yr old season. If his thoro number is to be believed, it is the fastest 2 yr old number in the BC ever. That puts him in better than "good" category so if he's that good he'll show it....The early 3yr old number of Keyed Entry vs. FuSam last year ruined both....And Beyers are nice, but they aren't thoros, and a study done looking at negative numbers early in the 3yr old season last year on the thoro board was simply stunning when it looked at the what happens, not only up to the Derby, but the rest of the 3yr old season....The history of a number like Street Sense got is not very long so we'll have to see. Maybe he is the next Easy Goer. I hope so.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Carson City is actually one of the last names you'd want to see in the up-close pedigree of a Derby Prospect....in my opinion.

Barbaro was by Dynaformer (Stamina) and from a female family laced with stamina.

IMO, Stormello is not as talented as Brother Derek was at this point last year, and much like BD, he looks like an early developing type, who's already polished, and doesn't have much room for future improvement.

I believe he's rated that high because he won the Norfolk and Hollywood Futurity--the top two West Coast races for 2yo's around two turns. The same two races Brother Derek won last year.

Barbaro's dam was an atypical Carson City, in that she was stakes-placed at up to 11f on turf; she took after her mom's family rather than Carson City. Stormello comes from a family developed at Old English Rancho in So Cal that is full of 2yo SWs and sprinter/miler types. Even the cross of Lyphard (sire of second dam) hasn't enabled members of this line to stretch out longer.

I agree that Brother Derek was an early maturing type, who will not be as effective as his fellow gen 2003s catch up in maturity. There is nothing wrong with the horse at 4, he has just lost the advantage he had as a 2yo and early 3yo last year. Given his female line, Stormello may prove to be a similar type.