ml odds for colonial cup

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

didnt his bro just get fedral cork screwed...

who the guy in the paper with the same last name connected to the mob that they ran a story on in the tribune a couple of years ago? i think mr calabrese(the owner at the track) actually sued the paper for misinformation regarding that, no relation at all i believe. are you talking about something else maybe?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya

who the guy in the paper with the same last name connected to the mob that they ran a story on in the tribune a couple of years ago? i think mr calabrese(the owner at the track) actually sued the paper for misinformation regarding that, no relation at all i believe. are you talking about something else maybe?

could be i saw it on the news yesterday..

Showing Up isn't going off at 6-1. The guy setting the line must have just looked at how he never ran over the turf. Even with a large field I see him at 8-5 when the gates open.

I cant believe you guys think that Showing Up wins this race. I do not like this horse at all in this spot. The horse has talent and a great upside, but I really feel he is going to be lucky to finish in the top 3. But we will see.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I cant believe you guys think that Showing Up wins this race. I do not like this horse at all in this spot. The horse has talent and a great upside, but I really feel he is going to be lucky to finish in the top 3. But we will see.

I will bet against him but I suspect he beats up on these horses. I talked to a guy in Ocala that knows some people in NY and most think he is better on the grass than he is on the dirt. One guy said he is "a freak" on the grass.

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

I will bet against him but I suspect he beats up on these horses. I talked to a guy in Ocala that knows some people in NY and most think he is better on the grass than he is on the dirt. One guy said he is "a freak" on the grass.

Yeah I have heard that as well. But I do not believe it. I prob wont even bet the race, but he will have to show me he is good on grass. I just dont think he is all that special.

[Pedigree Ann]

Isn't Lewis Michael the horse who barely lost to Sunriver in the Peter Pan? And had done most of his winning on turf? I feel that this form is better than Showing Up's for this contest.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Yeah I have heard that as well. But I do not believe it. I prob wont even bet the race, but he will have to show me he is good on grass. I just dont think he is all that special.

I think he is special, up to 8F. After that I just don't like him but he might be able to go the distance. He looked ok in the derby up to 9F and he needed more foundation. He might just be faster than these horses.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

I will bet against him but I suspect he beats up on these horses. I talked to a guy in Ocala that knows some people in NY and most think he is better on the grass than he is on the dirt. One guy said he is "a freak" on the grass.

So you will bet against Showing Up even though you suspect that he will beat up on the horses he is racing against. May I ask why? Is this your regular handicapping/wagering strategy?

I also find this next part fascinating.
You talked to "a guy" who knows "some people" and "most" think he is better on grass and "one guy" said he is a "freak" on the grass. This seems like a rather tenuous link for inside information deemed worthy of posting. I also find it odd that so many people would have such strong opinions about SU on the grass before he even has raced on the grass a single time. How do you earn the title of being a "freak" on the grass with no grass races?

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

So you will bet against Showing Up even though you suspect that he will beat up on the horses he is racing against. May I ask why? Is this your regular handicapping/wagering strategy?

I also find this next part fascinating.
You talked to "a guy" who knows "some people" and "most" think he is better on grass and "one guy" said he is a "freak" on the grass. This seems like a rather tenuous link for inside information deemed worthy of posting. I also find it odd that so many people would have such strong opinions about SU on the grass before he even has raced on the grass a single time. How do you earn the title of being a "freak" on the grass with no grass races?

I read the following and called my friend who bred a horse that Tagg now has in his barn and he told me that one of the "guys" at Belmont said he is tremendous on the turf. I plan on betting against him if he is a short price, but only because I question how far he can go. If he were 4-1 I would take a chance he could go the distance, but not at 8-5. My handicapping strategy is based strictly on value.

"He loved it,'' Robin Smullen, assistant to trainer Barclay Tagg said when asked how Showing Up handled the turf. "He just has a completely different stride on the turf than on dirt.''

Smullen said that exercise rider Simon Harris "said the horse doesn't pound the turf, whereas he pounds the dirt. He's got high action on dirt, he doesn't have any high action on turf.''