Declans Moon

stonegossard · #1 01-20-2007, 03:37 PM

This horse has been an overhyped 4 legged trash can since he came back from his injury. His trainer is beyond incompetent (could most likely start a whole thread on how bad a trainer he is/how stupid the man is). He ran the horse way over his head for too long.....there is something very obviously wrong with DM....retire the damn horse...

kentuckyrosesinmay · #2 01-20-2007, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard

This horse has been an overhyped 4 legged trash can since he came back from his injury. His trainer is beyond incompetent (could most likely start a whole thread on how bad a trainer he is/how stupid the man is). He ran the horse way over his head for too long.....there is something very obviously wrong with DM....retire the damn horse...

You seriously can't be talking about Ellis...

stonegossard · #3 01-20-2007, 03:57 PM

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You seriously can't be talking about Ellis...

Why can't I. I dont think he is much of a trainer. Running this horse in spots where he has no business isnt exactly a bright move. Then bringing him back pretty quickly when something is obviously wrong doesnt qualify as smart.

As far as the "stupid man" comment.....I read this year where he said he was looking forwards to running DM in the Strub Series this year...you know the series for 3 yr olds turning 4 in 2007. Last I checked DM was a 5 yr old in 2007. Now either he didnt know the conditions for the series (clueless) or he is just a stupid individual. Either way.....doesn't look to good....

KirisClown · #4 01-20-2007, 04:14 PM

The scintillating replay...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtrEIhlu97A

stonegossard · #5 01-20-2007, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KirisClown

The scintillating replay...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtrEIhlu97A

I dont what is more pathetic.....how DM ran...or Ron Ellis for runnning this horse back too soon.

God is he an awful trainer......

SCUDSBROTHER · #6 01-20-2007, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard

I dont what is more pathetic.....how DM ran...or Ron Ellis for runnning this horse back too soon.

God is he an awful trainer......

A tough day for a good trainer.

stonegossard · #7 01-20-2007, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

A tough day for a good trainer.

A tough day for an overrated and clueless trainer.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #8 01-20-2007, 04:40 PM

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A tough day for a good trainer.

Agreed. It looked to me like the horse may have displaced. He flung his head way up in the air as they came off the turn and into the stretch.

Rupert Pupkin · #9 01-20-2007, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard

Why can't I. I dont think he is much of a trainer. Running this horse in spots where he has no business isnt exactly a bright move. Then bringing him back pretty quickly when something is obviously wrong doesnt qualify as smart.

As far as the "stupid man" comment.....I read this year where he said he was looking forwards to running DM in the Strub Series this year...you know the series for 3 yr olds turning 4 in 2007. Last I checked DM was a 5 yr old in 2007. Now either he didnt know the conditions for the series (clueless) or he is just a stupid individual. Either way.....doesn't look to good....

Show me the interview where Ellis said he was going to run the horse in the Strub series this year. I don't believe he ever said that. That was the plan last year, not this year. Ellis knows the conditions of the Strub Series and every series for that matter. He is one of the sharpest trainers when it comes to being aware of conditions.

stonegossard · #10 01-20-2007, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Show me the interview where Ellis said he was going to run the horse in the Strub series this year. I don't believe he ever said that. That was the plan last year, not this year. Ellis knows the conditions of the Strub Series and every series for that matter. He is one of the sharpest trainers when it comes to being aware of conditions.

He was quoted in the DRF THIS YEAR. Go back and look for yourself.....it was pointed out to me by a few different people.....even I couldnt make something that funny up.

stonegossard · #11 01-20-2007, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Show me the interview where Ellis said he was going to run the horse in the Strub series this year. I don't believe he ever said that. That was the plan last year, not this year. Ellis knows the conditions of the Strub Series and every series for that matter. He is one of the sharpest trainers when it comes to being aware of conditions.

This was from Oak Tree Barn Notes in the beginning of October 2006:

From Oak Tree Barn Notes a couple of days ago:

. . . Ron Ellis is hopeful Declan's Moon can make the Strub series at Santa Anita starting on Dec. 26. "Long range plans are for the big races at Santa Anita," the trainer said after the male 2-year-old champion of 2004 worked three furlongs at Hollywood Friday in :35.80.

Pretty sad huh....guy doesnt even know his horse was too old for the race...

Rupert Pupkin · #12 01-20-2007, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard

This was from Oak Tree Barn Notes in the beginning of October 2006:

From Oak Tree Barn Notes a couple of days ago:

. . . Ron Ellis is hopeful Declan's Moon can make the Strub series at Santa Anita starting on Dec. 26. "Long range plans are for the big races at Santa Anita," the trainer said after the male 2-year-old champion of 2004 worked three furlongs at Hollywood Friday in :35.80.

Pretty sad huh....guy doesnt even know his horse was too old for the race...

That was the mistake of the person who wrote the article. Read Ellis' quote. Ellis didn't mention the Strub Series. Ellis said, "The long range plans are for the big races at Santa Anita." Ellis did not mention the Strub Series. The person who wrote the article was the one who mentioned the Strub Series. The writer obviously forget how old DM was.

I can assure you that Ellis never mentioned the Strub Series.

lg1965 · #13 01-20-2007, 07:35 PM

that one there doesn't quote ellis, but i remember a quote where, he indeed, said he was pointing for the strub series. i remember clearly discussing it with somebody and saying it would have been nice if the reporter would have covered for him. it might have been in the print version of drf. i remember it very well. i thought at the time it was very tacky that the reporter didn't have his back. i think it was with gmb, i'm sure it was (is gmb on this board?). i remember gmb asking why would any reporter want to cover for him, he's a jerk. then greg said he wouldn't let ellis train a mule, never mind a thoroughbred.

anyway, i don't care. i just find it funny that zito got his a$$ handed to him on this board, and ron ellis is getting so much support. if you want to support ron ellis with a couple of 4th place derby finishes, and bust zito because he's only WON a few triple crown races, it's just backasswards. in my humble opinion, the difference between those two trainers is night and day, and i don't think i need to state which one i think is in the dark.

stonegossard · #14 01-20-2007, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

That was the mistake of the person who wrote the article. Read Ellis' quote. Ellis didn't mention the Strub Series. Ellis said, "The long range plans are for the big races at Santa Anita." Ellis did not mention the Strub Series. The person who wrote the article was the one who mentioned the Strub Series. The writer obviously forget how old DM was.

I can assure you that Ellis never mentioned the Strub Series.

You sure do assume a lot of things.....have an answer for everything.

Ron Ellis is an average trainer at best......I have pretty much showed you a lot of evidence...and you have come up with some pretty weak responses....

If you really want a laugh watch when he is a guest on TVG.....there he really embarasses himself....

mark2061mn · #15 01-20-2007, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Show me the interview where Ellis said he was going to run the horse in the Strub series this year. I don't believe he ever said that. That was the plan last year, not this year. Ellis knows the conditions of the Strub Series and every series for that matter. He is one of the sharpest trainers when it comes to being aware of conditions.

actually, he did say that.. sometime in the fall, he was asked what the plans were for declans moon and he said he was aiming him for the malibu, and then maybe the san fernando. it was only 4-5 months ago.

i distinctly remember reading it, as did other people that i discussed it with (one of which who posts here). i always considered ellis a good trainer, but at that moment, i really doubted his mental sharpness.

Rupert Pupkin · #16 01-20-2007, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

actually, he did say that.. sometime in the fall, he was asked what the plans were for declans moon and he said he was aiming him for the malibu, and then maybe the san fernando. it was only 4-5 months ago.

i distinctly remember reading it, as did other people that i discussed it with (one of which who posts here). i always considered ellis a good trainer, but at that moment, i really doubted his mental sharpness.

He did say that but that was in the Fall of 2005, not 2006. I know Ron Ellis very well. I talk to him several times a week. I talk to him about DM all the time. He never talked about the Strub Series for 2006 and 2007. Back in 2005, he was hoping to have DM ready for the Strub Series.

mark2061mn · #17 01-20-2007, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

He did say that but that was in the Fall of 2005, not 2006. I know Ron Ellis very well. I talk to him several times a week. I talk to him about DM all the time. He never talked about the Strub Series for 2006 and 2007. Back in 2005, he was hoping to have DM ready for the Strub Series.

maybe, but in that case, i timewarped 16 months in what seemed like 4 months time.

anything is possible i suppose!

stonegossard · #18 01-20-2007, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

He did say that but that was in the Fall of 2005, not 2006. I know Ron Ellis very well. I talk to him several times a week. I talk to him about DM all the time. He never talked about the Strub Series for 2006 and 2007. Back in 2005, he was hoping to have DM ready for the Strub Series.

The quote was from 2006......just face the facts..

If you know him well, a word of advice for him....tell him to stay off of TVG...he really comes across as an idiot....that or he should do his homework before going on TV......

Tom Amoss does a great job when they have him on...maybe Ellis should watch some tapes of Amoss and see how its done...

Rupert Pupkin · #19 01-20-2007, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

You seriously can't be talking about Ellis...

Jessica, I know that you know that Ellis is a great trainer. But I bet you didn't know this: I believe it was on ESPN when they were covering the Stephen Foster that they said that Ellis' lifetime win percentage in graded stakes races is 40%. I think that is the highest of any trainer in the country.

The Bid · #20 01-20-2007, 03:51 PM

No doubt, since the injury hes been nothing at all.

I think Ellis put some high expectations on himself hyping the horse as much as he did. I know he was a champion 2 year old, but Declan has had some serious setbacks. To be as high as they still are on the horse is being unrealistic.