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06-19-2006, 12:19 PM
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These guys are all parasites.Make money off of horseplayers(not for them.)
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06-19-2006, 12:28 PM
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Crist has fought harder for the horseplayer than probably anyone in the past 30 years. He stepped up to save the DRF when it was in trouble as well. The above is a horribly negative, unfair statement and totally baseless...
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06-19-2006, 12:34 PM
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Crist is a nice guy who is sharp as a tack. Every time I see him he goes out of his way to answer my stupid questions and he is very genuine, not a thing phony about him. Doesnt care what he looks like or what people think of him.
If you are to be harsh on anybody, please let it be Andy Beyer or Hank Goldberg.
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06-19-2006, 12:42 PM
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06-19-2006, 12:43 PM
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Scav's I caught the show that they did in the teletheatre before the races with Marcus and Crist. I had a different opinion on Crist's take on the Arlington card. He probably doesn't follow it on a daily basis but he obviously came prepared for the Sunday card. They sat and analyzed every stinking race in detail and a few times Marcus gave his own kudos to Steve for how spot on he was. We are fortunate to have Marcus Hersch for the daily DRF coverage in Illinois. He really is astute.
Steve Crist the same, lots of respect for the guy. He fights the battles for us and uses his position as a platform for bettering the sport. Whatever he writes I'm reading.
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06-19-2006, 12:46 PM
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Looks like a duck,walks like a duck,and probably is a duck.Hey ,if horseplayers are dumb enough to pay these parasites,then they deserve what they get. We got a huge difference of agreement on these guys. I consider them PRO PARASITES(one and all.)Obviously, many others don't mind blowing money each day on product to pay these guys. These guys are not new.There will always be guys trying to make money off of cappers.They are the Carlton Sheets of the horseracing world.Like him,they claim to make $$ from doing something,but in actuality they make money by selling books,tapes,and articles on "how to" do something.If they were so great at doing this "something,"then they would just get paid from doing that.They make money off of other handicappers.Do you dispute this?
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06-19-2006, 01:02 PM
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(Used with the hope of permission of Steve Crist and DRF...)
Bid process: A dead end? By STEVEN CRIST NEW YORK - If you've always had a hankering to operate horse racing in New York for the next 20 years, perhaps your time has come. Just follow these four easy steps: 1. Notify the Ad Hoc Committee on the Future of New York Racing by June 30 of your intention to bid for the New York Racing Association franchise, which expires in December 2007. 2. Point your Web browser to www.ny.gov/futureofracing/rfp.htm to download the 45 pages of instructions for submitting your proposal. 3. Spend thousands of hours, dollars, and trees hiring an army of lawyers and accountants to construct a detailed 20-year business plan covering everything from the number of claiming races you plan to run to how you will allocate box seats for the next two decades, under three to six different legislative scenarios, and file it by Aug. 15. 4. Consider the very strong possibility that you have just engaged in a massive waste of time, money, and effort, because the state legislature will adjourn for the year before the proposals are filed, and by the time they reconvene, New York will have a new governor. Any honest response to the Ad Hoc Committee's request for proposal (RFP), released this week after several meetings and public hearings over the last few months, would require thousands of pages of filings, and a breadth of planning it is unlikely any bidder has undertaken. It will certainly weed out anyone who is less than deadly serious about the undertaking. The question is how seriously anyone will take the process. Even if the Ad Hoc Committee designates a "winning" bidder by its suddenly announced deadline of Sept. 15, it is unclear what would happen next. For openers, if anyone except the New York Racing Association is "awarded" the franchise, the NYRA will be in court the next day claiming that it owns the tracks and the land, having paid property taxes on them for half a century. In addition, state laws would have to be rewritten to award the franchise to anyone but the NYRA, and the governor and legislature would have to approve it. The legislature is scheduled to call it a year this month, with no likelihood of returning to Albany until 2007, after the inauguration of Gov. George Pataki's successor - widely presumed to be Attorney General Eliot Spitzer, who is 50 points ahead of either of his two potential Republican rivals in the polls. Spitzer may well convene his own commission to issue a new RFP, grant a franchise to a reconstituted NYRA, or propose some entirely different resolution of the matter. The matter is further complicated by the necessity for every likely bidder to align itself with a deep-pocketed strategic partner, and some bidders say privately that those potential alliances are still in the exploratory stages. So some if not most proposals are likely to consist primarily of entirely fanciful financial projections based on hypothetical joint ventures as well as hypothetical legislative changes and government approval. The unrealistic and accelerated timetable for completing the bidding process is entirely a function of a Pataki committee's trying to resolve the matter before Pataki leaves office. Why else does a winner need to be announced a mere 30 days after proposals are hurriedly due, with no public comment or outside scrutiny of the bids, a full 15 months before the end of the NYRA's franchise? And how exactly will the next custodian of the sport be selected? According to the RFP, it will be decided by a formula: "For each proposal the Ad Hoc Committee has determined that a weighting of each category is appropriate prior to arriving at the final Total Score. . . . Specifically, the Ad Hoc Committee has determined to weigh responses for Bidder Proposal at fifty (50) percent, Bidder Integrity and Responsibility at twenty (20) percent, Bidder Financial Viability at ten (10) percent, Bidder Approach and Managerial Theory at ten (10) percent, Bidder Experience and Qualification at five (5) percent and Bidder Lease Payments at five (5) percent." Scoring systems aside, the RFP is actually an impressively comprehensive document. It asks for specific plans on nearly every human and equine welfare concern raised at its public hearings, and requires that bidders address every conceivable issue, from wagering integrity to takeout. If bidders had six months to respond to it, and any confidence that the process will actually lead to anything except a return to square one next year, it might be seen as an excellent step in the process. Instead, it could turn out to be a path to nowhere.
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All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. ~ George Orwell, 1984.
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06-19-2006, 01:05 PM
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Just don't have the time right now to answer this in full.. But will hopefully get to it after the show tonight. Maybe Andy (Serling) is around and will see it and respond... My short answer is that Crist's body of work, and in fact entire career, belies that of someone looking to usurp the gullability of the get-rich-quick crowd. SB
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All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. ~ George Orwell, 1984.
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06-19-2006, 01:45 PM
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How many people in this game can you say that about?
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06-19-2006, 01:59 PM
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06-19-2006, 02:13 PM
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Here is the definition of parasite...since, apparantly in your weak attempt to appear clever, you don't know it.... par·a·site ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr-st) n. Biology. An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host. One who habitually takes advantage of the generosity of others without making any useful return. One who lives off and flatters the rich; a sycophant. A professional dinner guest, especially in ancient Greece. Thus, for Steve Crist, you know....the subject of this thread, to be a parasite he would have to be feeding off racing fans while providing nothing in return. This is completely untrue, inaccurate, and grossly unfair. Steve's accomplishments for the betterment of racing fans are substantial and evident. You, on the other hand, seem to be establishing a parasitic relationship with this board. Luckily, antibiotics are on the way.
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06-19-2006, 01:50 PM
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Crist may be a genius when it comes to his knowledge and writing of the sport, but lets also remember...hes one of us Scuds. This guy likes the juice more than anyone I have ever met, yes even Oracle!
Only difference is he makes his living through the industry. I dont see the big deal of paying $5 for a drf every time I want to bet. I mean spending $5 for a paper to kill time between races is a great thing in my opinion.
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06-19-2006, 01:51 PM
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I made a general statement about these pundits.To me,they are all parasites.That is the relationship here(host/parasite.....like it, or not.)So,the responses all come in to stick up for one particular pundit.Did I go out of my way to attack a particular pundit? No,the thread just so happens to be about one pundit.My aim is not to attack one person.I have no personal thing against this guy.If you want to make it a Scud versus Crist thing,then go ahead,but the issue is Scuds versus all parasite pundits (not a personal thing against one guy.)
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06-19-2006, 01:57 PM
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Like I said,most handicappers are indeed dumb enough to want to pay these parasites.This thread shows that.
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06-19-2006, 01:13 PM
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Question for you, how do you go about handicapping without purchasing information from some source? I don't think you can just wing it or have the time to collect your own data. Are all data services therefore parasites?
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