CONTESSA: "..wanted to throw up"

#1 01-12-2007, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Now that we have the riding instructions and the trainer comments, then I admit that Ramon made a bad decision.

However, what Ramon thought would happen about the hole opening up was what I said in the other thread that he thought would happen. He just made the wrong decision that didn't pay off this time. A lot of other times, it would have proven to be the right decision as a hole would have opened. If the hole would have opened, no one would have been complaining about his ride.

I agree. RD didnt follow instructions at all. Therefore, it was a bad ride. I understand RD's thinking, but he has to follow directions or be 100% positive that he is able to get the rail.

cmorioles · #2 01-12-2007, 03:53 PM

The whole instructions things is a joke anyway. When the gate opens, nothing is really that predictable. Personally, I would say just trust the jockey to do the right thing given the circumstances. If I didn't trust him, why is he on my horse?

Downthestretch55 · #3 01-12-2007, 04:36 PM

I should keep my mouth shut.
I should keep my mouth shut.
I should keep my mouth shut.
100X

I can't resist.
Steve's post said it.
Yes, we all make mistakes. Excuses are for losers doncha know?
Winners don't need to create them, cause they won.
Yes, RD shoulda, coulda, woulda followed instructions. No question.
Did he blow a race that this one had been trained to? No question.
So, ask yourself after reading what he said back to Contessa in Steve's first post, if you saw a jock working on his horse, both hands, and expected that it would come out, where would you go? In other words, if they were going to go wide and open a hole inside, where do you think you'd take your horse?
Decisions on the track are made in a blink. Sometimes they look brilliant, and sometimes they look like a complete and total F-up.
Cut RD a break. We all F-up!

I should keep my mouth shut.
I should keep my mouth shut.
I should keep my mouth shut.

ninetoone · #4 01-12-2007, 04:47 PM

Well said DTS....and on that point, if a hole had opened up on the rail & Ramon had taken his horse too wide, we'd have a thread about why he should have taken the rail. Even if we had the information about the instructions, we'd have people whining about how those are "just a guide" or something to that effect...he should have used his judgement...blah blah blah. Come back and look at this thread in 5 years & see what Ramon has accomplished. We'll probably all be wondering why we were talking so much about a 3/5 shot in an AOC race at Aqueduct on a Thursday.

blackthroatedwind · #5 01-12-2007, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ninetoone

Well said DTS....and on that point, if a hole had opened up on the rail & Ramon had taken his horse too wide, we'd have a thread about why he should have taken the rail. Even if we had the information about the instructions, we'd have people whining about how those are "just a guide" or something to that effect...he should have used his judgement...blah blah blah. Come back and look at this thread in 5 years & see what Ramon has accomplished. We'll probably all be wondering why we were talking so much about a 3/5 shot in an AOC race at Aqueduct on a Thursday.

What happens in the future for Ramon Dominguez has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on whether or not yesterday's ride was a poor one. It is interesting that the defenders of Mr. Dominguez continue to make these sort of comments as though there is any relevance to them whatsoever. If he were to win with 100% of his mounts the rest of his riding career yesterday's ride would still remain one of the single most puzzlingly stupid decisions in riding history. It is really only more baffling because Mr. Dominguez is a talented rider. If the worst rider in America had done what he did yesterday it still would have been wrong and somewhat baffling. But, to have a successful rider, even if he is overrated, make the choice he did will forever be mystifying.

Once again, even if the rail had opened for him it would have been a poor ride, and understanding that is important if one is to truly understand horseracing. Results are not nearly as important as how one gets there. That's what seperates winners from losers.

Rupert Pupkin · #6 01-12-2007, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What happens in the future for Ramon Dominguez has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on whether or not yesterday's ride was a poor one. It is interesting that the defenders of Mr. Dominguez continue to make these sort of comments as though there is any relevance to them whatsoever. If he were to win with 100% of his mounts the rest of his riding career yesterday's ride would still remain one of the single most puzzlingly stupid decisions in riding history. It is really only more baffling because Mr. Dominguez is a talented rider. If the worst rider in America had done what he did yesterday it still would have been wrong and somewhat baffling. But, to have a successful rider, even if he is overrated, make the choice he did will forever be mystifying.

Once again, even if the rail had opened for him it would have been a poor ride, and understanding that is important if one is to truly understand horseracing. Results are not nearly as important as how one gets there. That's what seperates winners from losers.

100% correct.

ninetoone · #7 01-12-2007, 05:07 PM

[quote=blackthroatedwind]If he were to win with 100% of his mounts the rest of his riding career yesterday's ride would still remain one of the single most puzzlingly stupid decisions in riding history. QUOTE]

You've got to be kidding me. I'm sure you've watched many more races than I have, so I hope I don't need to tell you that the type of scenario that happenned on Thursday happens every single day & every single "great" rider has done something similar or much worse. I've watched the replay several times now, and I can't believe how blown out of proportion this thread has become. He made a bad decision, no doubt. It's worse because he had instructions to do otherwise. If this was "one of the single most puzzlingly stupid decisions in riding history", he'd certainly be losing some business because of it....and believe me, that aint gonna happen.

Rupert Pupkin · #8 01-12-2007, 05:15 PM

[quote=ninetoone]

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

If he were to win with 100% of his mounts the rest of his riding career yesterday's ride would still remain one of the single most puzzlingly stupid decisions in riding history. QUOTE]

You've got to be kidding me. I'm sure you've watched many more races than I have, so I hope I don't need to tell you that the type of scenario that happenned on Thursday happens every single day & every single "great" rider has done something similar or much worse. I've watched the replay several times now, and I can't believe how blown out of proportion this thread has become. He made a bad decision, no doubt. It's worse because he had instructions to do otherwise. If this was "one of the single most puzzlingly stupid decisions in riding history", he'd certainly be losing some business because of it....and believe me, that aint gonna happen.

I don't think it has been blown out of proportion at all. The ride was so moronic that it is mind-boggling. I don't see rides like that every day. It is very rare to see rides like that. Sure you see guys get into trouble every day. Sometimes there is no way to avoid trouble in full fields. But the incident yesterday was totally avoidable and the move he made had no upside.

I think he will definitely lose some business, at least in the short-run as a result of that ride.

paisjpq · #9 01-12-2007, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ninetoone

You've got to be kidding me. I'm sure you've watched many more races than I have, so I hope I don't need to tell you that the type of scenario that happenned on Thursday happens every single day & every single "great" rider has done something similar or much worse. I've watched the replay several times now, and I can't believe how blown out of proportion this thread has become. He made a bad decision, no doubt. It's worse because he had instructions to do otherwise. If this was "one of the single most puzzlingly stupid decisions in riding history", he'd certainly be losing some business because of it....and believe me, that aint gonna happen.

If I had that horse I wouldn't ride him again, if for no other reason than to make a point to him that he is given instructions for a reason...we all know that things happen in a race that force jocks to abandon the best laid plans but that is not the case here...and I believe the owner feels the same way.

brianwspencer · #10 01-12-2007, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

would still remain one of the single most puzzlingly stupid decisions in riding history.

terrible ride? yes.

but, my goodness, you just took hyperbole to an unprecedented level.

ninetoone · #11 01-12-2007, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer

terrible ride? yes.

but, my goodness, did you just take hyperbole to a new level.

lol....exactly

blackthroatedwind · #12 01-12-2007, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer

terrible ride? yes.

but, my goodness, you just took hyperbole to an unprecedented level.

Well, Brian, in the vast encyclopedia of rides in your memory why don't you come up with a few more baffling decisions. Be sure they were simple situations in races that absolutely cost the horses involved victory.