Ripken Jr. & Gwynn elected to HOF, McGwire left out

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

read the paper today, and the writer said 500 runs isn't quite the magic # it used to be.

big mac has 1100 fewer hits than bill buckner, 1000 less than tim raines, 400 fewer than todd zeile. fewer runs than fred mcgriff, joe carter, and andres galarraga. one gold glove, struck out once every 3.8 at bats and hit better than .300 once--that one time was when he played more than 100 games in a season. (all from todays ark dem gazette)...

there is a cloud of suspicion. you can't help but wonder if those 500 runs were aided. if so, what the heck is so special about it??

I think it's because MLB did such a lousy job on rules and testing up til 2003,and completely looked the other way about "greenies" for forever! All of a sudden, everyone is under suspicion....ex post facto....I just don't think you can throw the entire generation of MLB numbers out the window. 2003 and forward...everybody is warned, rules and suspensions laid down, play ball!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I think it's because MLB did such a lousy job on rules and testing up til 2003,and completely looked the other way about "greenies" for forever! All of a sudden, everyone is under suspicion....ex post facto....I just don't think you can throw the entire generation of MLB numbers out the window. 2003 and forward...everybody is warned, rules and suspensions laid down, play ball!

i think you're right. but maybe (and i'm really just throwing this out here to get some feedback) the combo of ?'s about the legitimacy of his HR's, combined with less than HOF #'s elsewhere, was what kept him out of contention this year.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I think part of it is that he was also in with two legends like Gwynn and Ripken. Like I said before, the selection is screwy, I mean look at the fact that a few writers didn't vote for Ripken because they didn't want him to be unanimous. Now how does that make any sense.

that doesn't make sense.
cal ripken deserves to be in there, no question in my mind. why shouldn't it have been unanimous?? very illogical.