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SniperSB23 · #21 01-11-2007, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

Storm Cat should be charged with statutory

As should AP Indy last year from Sweet Catomine. Broodfillies are becoming way too common in this sport.

Antitrust32 · #22 01-11-2007, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq

I have actually heard rumors that she did have an injury...tendon I think...but horses come back from that all the time. I agree that she may have developed problems as a result of being pushed too hard too early...but that's just another problem within the entire ndustry...the fact that nobody wants to put the proper time into these animals...it's all about maximizing ROI in the shortest amount of time...Zayat got his $$, and now Sikura wants his turn...it's a sad state of affairs.

Lots of horses do come back from tendon injuries. Not horses that are worth $1.8 million though.

If she had an injury there is a good chance she wont return to the races w/ the same ability and worth. She is worth much more in the breeding shed, and she has already made $1.8 mil in 07.

If I owned nice expensive horses like that and one came back with an injury after being a Grade I winner, no doubt she goes to the farm to begin her new career.

On another note, I know how important 2yo racing is to the industry, but I really do not agree with running horses before thier bones are completely formed (aka 2yo's). They should run the triple crown late in the 3yo season!

Honu · #23 01-11-2007, 04:11 PM

I was reading a book about Hollywood Park the other day ( a very interesting read) flipping thru the pages I noticed a section about the 1937 Derby winner and the 1937 Preakness winner having a rematch race is some stake the first or second year of Hollywood opening. As fate would have it the race didnt materialize because the winner of the Preakness bowed 2 days before the race but they didnt let the public in on it because it drew a crowd, it was announced hours before the race after the grandstand was full that the Preakness winner was scratched. The Derby winner went onto win the race but bowed shortly after . To me it is pretty apparant that horses werent that sturdy back then either , of course you had your freaks like Citation who ran 17 times a 2 yr old and so forth but all in all horses retired as late 3 yr olds and early 4 yr olds to stud just like they do now.
The biggest diffirence between now and then is the information highway, back then not every tom , dick , and harry sports writer had access to the backside let alone interviews with trainers on a daily basis. They didnt have computers and satellite radio shows with which to broadcast all the pitfalls of racing like they do now. I think if people go back and look at just the Triple Crown competitors of days gone by you might see that alot, not just a few horses that competeted in those races didnt race with much success or at all as 4 and 5 yr olds.

boswd · #24 01-11-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq

but really, she wasn't going to make the Oaks and since there are no other races for 3 YO fillies it's best to just breed her...and she probably has some soundness problem, so of course it makes sense to send her to a stallion who is known to pass along a few soundness problems of his own.

there are just those little races called the Alabama, CCO of America, The Oaks may get more hype because of it's timing, the day before the Derby, but Alabama is actually more prestigious.

#25 01-11-2007, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by boswd

there are just those little races called the Alabama, CCO of America, The Oaks may get more hype because of it's timing, the day before the Derby, but Alabama is actually more prestigious.

There's a little thing called sarcasm, too.

Cajungator26 · #26 01-11-2007, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

There's a little thing called sarcasm, too.

LMAO

Pedigree Ann · #27 01-11-2007, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq

..a filly on the other hand won't earn a thing for close to 2 years...lets assume this filly gets in foal on the first or second cover...that sets her up for a feb foal in 08...the earliest that they might sell the foal is in the November sales...but more likely not til the yearling sales of 09...in the meantime you have stud fees vet fees and care for both mare and foal...personally I think that for a filly it makes more financial sense to run her if she is able

Not if they get her in foal to the hottest young sire of the year, one who hasn't any runners yet but whose weanlings have gone for big bucks, then sell her in foal at the November breeding stock sale.

paisjpq · #28 01-11-2007, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Not if they get her in foal to the hottest young sire of the year, one who hasn't any runners yet but whose weanlings have gone for big bucks, then sell her in foal at the November breeding stock sale.

that's true...but they just spent a lot for this filly...they aren't going to sell her in November

paisjpq · #29 01-11-2007, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Lots of horses do come back from tendon injuries. Not horses that are worth $1.8 million though.

If she had an injury there is a good chance she wont return to the races w/ the same ability and worth. She is worth much more in the breeding shed, and she has already made $1.8 mil in 07.

If I owned nice expensive horses like that and one came back with an injury after being a Grade I winner, no doubt she goes to the farm to begin her new career.

On another note, I know how important 2yo racing is to the industry, but I really do not agree with running horses before thier bones are completely formed (aka 2yo's). They should run the triple crown late in the 3yo season!

yeah they do, they're called geldings

Antitrust32 · #30 01-11-2007, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq

yeah they do, they're called geldings

lol... I would love to have a gelding worth 1.8 mil any day! think about how many fun times you would have at the track...

I wonder how much Cigar is worth today? I know he's chillin at the Horse Park or whatever, but if he was for sale what do u think he would bring for no breeding value?

Danzig · #31 01-11-2007, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

lol... I would love to have a gelding worth 1.8 mil any day! think about how many fun times you would have at the track...

I wonder how much Cigar is worth today? I know he's chillin at the Horse Park or whatever, but if he was for sale what do u think he would bring for no breeding value?

probably not much of anything. why would anyone want him for anything other than a tourist attraction? can't breed, too old to race.
guess you could ride to the hounds on him, like kelso!!

paisjpq · #32 01-11-2007, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

lol... I would love to have a gelding worth 1.8 mil any day! think about how many fun times you would have at the track...

I wonder how much Cigar is worth today? I know he's chillin at the Horse Park or whatever, but if he was for sale what do u think he would bring for no breeding value?

no clue...it's like buying the constitution or something...on it's own it's just paper...but what it stands for is another story...same for cigar.

Antitrust32 · #33 01-11-2007, 08:17 PM

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no clue...it's like buying the constitution or something...on it's own it's just paper...but what it stands for is another story...same for cigar.

yea.. i wonder how they put a value on those types of horses... I am sure they have some type of insurance on Cigar... but how would the insurance companies come up with a value of a gelding who captured peoples hearts on the race track?

Kasept · #34 01-11-2007, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

First off, anyone looks tougher with a Cobra Kai T-shirt on. Anyone. Second, pais, I have become a bit of a gym rat. You will not recognize me in a Toga with a Goatee and a neck like McGwire.

Would we WANT to...?

randallscott35 · #35 01-11-2007, 08:22 PM

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Would we WANT to...?

Ouch Stevie. I thought we were family. Haha. I know where the stand is. You can't escape.

Kasept · #36 01-11-2007, 08:27 PM

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Ouch Stevie. I thought we were family. Haha. I know where the stand is. You can't escape.

Oh don't get me wrong.. I have no problem being visited by the WWE version of Rand... It's the toga that has me concerned..

You will not recognize me in a Toga with a Goatee and a neck like McGwire.

Or was that a typo...?

randallscott35 · #37 01-11-2007, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Oh don't get me wrong.. I have no problem being visited by the WWE version of Rand... It's the toga that has me concerned..

You will not recognize me in a Toga with a Goatee and a neck like McGwire.

Or was that a typo...?

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL! That was in Toga, not in a toga. Haha. My bad, didn't see that. That's really funny actually.