Holiday Week/Weekend Stakes Beyers

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I give Taiba credit for still finishing fairly well after being taken a bit out of his game to chase the quick pace. The race was actually closer to a half a second faster than the La Brea ( if you correctly time the races ) but still, in relative terms, it was a bit underwhelming. Like Freddy, though, I give him a ton of credit for surviving the foolish early handling and think he's better than you do.

Taiba is a nice horse but he'll never realize his full potential considering what he's been put through. I don't bank on him making more than 3 or 4 starts next year, if that.

I'm not sold on the whole "he's not a sprinter" post-race vibe from his connections; Smith is usually full of BS, it's not like Baffert can't put speed into a horse, and Taiba broke like a shot, dueled a rival into submission, and drew clear in 1:09+ (good for a triple digit BSF) in his belated career debut.

I would vote for Epicenter, I intentionally do not have a vote, as 3YO champ but it's fair to say Taiba made more than a reasonable case to win the Eclipse. I wouldn't argue with someone that gave him the award, I just think overall Epicenter deserves it more. It's close.

If Epicenter retired after the Travers he might actually garner more support; some people might not be drawing a line through his BC Classic.

Still, Epicenter should have absolutely been in the Belmont and could have had the requisite classic win that would easily trump Taiba's manhandling of the overrated Forbidden Kingdom.

[Kasept]

Cyberknife deserves at least some discussion in this. Isn’t he the 3yo champ free and clear if the Dirt Mile goes his way?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Cyberknife deserves at least some discussion in this. Isn’t he the 3yo champ free and clear if the Dirt Mile goes his way?

No. He got drowned by Epicenter and proved inferior to Taiba in their two meetings. The BC Dirt Mile is pretty much an irrelevant race ( even though he ran extremely well ).

He might be third over Modern Games.

Don't worry, Al will still ( eventually ) speak to you if you're honest.

I'd write more on this subject, but I intentionally don't have a further opinion!

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

I'd write more on this subject, but I intentionally don't have a further opinion!

I would rather read a posted opinion, even if I thought it was silly vs. reading a cryptic post on how I can't read it.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I would rather read a posted opinion, even if I thought it was silly vs. reading a cryptic post on how I can't read it.

It's not cryptic. It's a shot at me for saying that I intentionally don't vote for the Eclipse awards. He's pathetic and desperate for attention.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's not cryptic. It's a shot at me for saying that I intentionally don't vote for the Eclipse awards. He's pathetic and desperate for attention.

You'd think his scumbag move of chastising Bejarano on mic a few weeks back would have given him enough attention for awhile.

Or when he was going to fleece people out of $75 for his BS Breeders Cup trip notes....only to get called on it and make up some silly story about how it was all for charity. No bottom with Vic. Just when you think he's really oyt his foot in it, he has a way of surprising you.

This is what I always find so fascinating about Vic. No one cries victim more than him, but many times, he's the first to start things. If there was an eclipse for scumbag of the year, he'd win in a landslide every year.

I'm just glad he gives me so many opportunities to highlight what an awful person he is.

Cue the tome about how I don't know him (but everything I say is 100% true) and all he wants to do is talk racing with real fans. He's posted that so many times he should be able to just copy and paste it.

[Conrad]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's not cryptic. It's a shot at me for saying that I intentionally don't vote for the Eclipse awards. He's pathetic and desperate for attention.

Too sensitive, you

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's not cryptic. It's a shot at me for saying that I intentionally don't vote for the Eclipse awards. He's pathetic and desperate for attention.

Nyra - Andy we don’t want you voting for the eclipse awards
Andy - Sir Yes Sir . Whatever you say boss.

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Cyberknife deserves at least some discussion in this. Isn’t he the 3yo champ free and clear if the Dirt Mile goes his way?

I think Cyberknife is a good measuring stick between Taiba and Epicenter.

Taiba lost to Cyberknife, while Epicenter trounced Cyberknife.