Worst DQ of All Time?

[Kitan]

The margin was a nose, if even that (literally a bob). There was contact and the 5 was pushed out 1.5-2 paths. The 5 had all the momentum and the 4 would have come down even in the stringent of jurisdictions. I've seen some egregious DQs, but this is a non-story.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Kitan

The margin was a nose, if even that (literally a bob). There was contact and the 5 was pushed out 1.5-2 paths. The 5 had all the momentum and the 4 would have come down even in the stringent of jurisdictions. I've seen some egregious DQs, but this is a non-story.

1.5-2 paths?

You watch the right race?

[moses]

Originally Posted by Kitan

The margin was a nose, if even that (literally a bob). There was contact and the 5 was pushed out 1.5-2 paths. The 5 had all the momentum and the 4 would have come down even in the stringent of jurisdictions. I've seen some egregious DQs, but this is a non-story.

My problem with the DQ is that the contact and/or foul is not even really noticeable on the pan shot. I don't see the 5 get slowed or change its stride, so I have trouble believing that what the 4 did actually impacted the 5 or changed the result of the race, even with the small margin. (The flipside to this is, I also don't want to see jockeys exaggerating things to try to sell it to the stewards, which we also see some times and I can't stand.)

I guess the finish is close enough for the steward's the make this call, but I don't agree this would have been a DQ in every racing jurisdiction. I suppose it could be, but steward decisions are inconsistent enough that it's really hard to know how this would have been decided elsewhere.

[casp0555]

I dont necessarily agree with the DQ but the four horse moved over multiple paths and made contact with the other runner. I fault the jock on the 4 for not controlling his runner as he was headed straight near the wire but his actions with the reins seemed to move his runner to the right. The left rein is slapping the horses neck. Would the slight contact and the jocks actions weigh in on the stewards ruling? Im just asking, I agree with Moses that this most likely would not be a DQ in most jurisdictions, unless of course, it was the horse I wagered on

[blackthroatedwind]

This was a silly DQ and, at best, it's questionable that there was any real contact. The runner up certainly didn't react to anything. I know it's a different track, but a horse was left up in NY a couple of weeks ago that did MUCH more, and the margin at the finish was virtually identical.

Using a chart call to back up an opinion is a slippery slope. Whether or not someone likes the work of any chart caller, trust your eyes, not someone else's.

I get Dahoss's frustration. Most whines about disqualifications are just that...but this seemed like an unnecessary decision. Surely much worse contact happens in many races that gets completely ignored. Why are stretch brushes so much worse than ones in other parts of any race? A turnover in the first quarter of a basketball is possibly as costly as one late in a game.

[Kitan]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

This was a silly DQ and, at best, it's questionable that there was any real contact. The runner up certainly didn't react to anything. I know it's a different track, but a horse was left up in NY a couple of weeks ago that did MUCH more, and the margin at the finish was virtually identical.

Using a chart call to back up an opinion is a slippery slope. Whether or not someone likes the work of any chart caller, trust your eyes, not someone else's.

I get Dahoss's frustration. Most whines about disqualifications are just that...but this seemed like an unnecessary decision. Surely much worse contact happens in many races that gets completely ignored. Why are stretch brushes so much worse than ones in other parts of any race? A turnover in the first quarter of a basketball is possibly as costly as one late in a game.

Because, depending on the severity of the contact, there is the whole race to recover? Or, the other three quarters of the game to make amends for the one mistake? It's not like the incident occurred at the top of the stretch and the 5 had a chance to re-rally but just hung, losing by a couple of lengths. It happened close to the wire and the 5 had all the momentum.

Here are a couple of example excerpts from the HKJC:

It was further found that after the 400 Metres TIGRE DU TERRE became unbalanced after being bumped by INSAYSHABLE which shifted to the outside of STIMULATION to obtain clear running. Having regard to the fact that this incident occurred just after the 400 Metres and that both horses then had the opportunity to finish off the race without further incident, the Stewards could not be satisfied to the requisite degree that if not for the contact between the two horses passing the 400 Metres TIGRE DU TERRE would have finished in front of INSAYSHABLE. Accordingly, the protest/objection was overruled and weighed-in declared on the numbers semaphored by the Judge.

When MCMUNIGAL shifted in across the rightful running of JIMMU, the rider of that horse had to momentarily desist from using the whip and ease his mount away from the heels of MCMUNIGAL and shift to the outside of that horse to continue improving. JIMMU then continued to finish off the race strongly over the concluding stages. Having regard to the nose margin between the horses at the end of the race and the manner in which both horses were finishing off the race, the Stewards were satisfied that had JIMMU not been hampered by MCMUNIGAL as that horse shifted in at the 125 Metres, JIMMU would have finished in front of MCMUNIGAL and accordingly the protest/objection was sustained and the placings amended

You may not agree with the call (as I certainly didn't when I had Tigre du Terre at 140-1 in one of the sickest nose bobs ever), but this is far from the worst DQ ever. Probably not even the worst this year in Florida.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Kitan

Because, depending on the severity of the contact, there is the whole race to recover? Or, the other three quarters of the game to make amends for the one mistake? It's not like the incident occurred at the top of the stretch and the 5 had a chance to re-rally but just hung, losing by a couple of lengths. It happened close to the wire and the 5 had all the momentum.

Here are a couple of example excerpts from the HKJC:





You may not agree with the call (as I certainly didn't when I had Tigre du Terre at 140-1 in one of the sickest nose bobs ever), but this is far from the worst DQ ever. Probably not even the worst this year in Florida.

What does a decision at Hong Kong have to do with anything?

Also...weren’t you someone who thought Maximum Security should have stayed up in the Derby? How should he have stayed up but this was an obvious DQ?

[Dahoss]

I guess my point in all of this is this is a great example of punishing the bettors, where the right thing to do is punish the bonehead rider of the 4 and let the result stand.

Not to mention consistency. We have all seen much worse stay up. Let’s be honest, the game has serious issues with integrity. If a guy like me who is can be rough around the edges but a loyal customer for 25 years is doubting things at this point, what chance do we have with new fans

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

What does a decision at Hong Kong have to do with anything?

Also...weren’t you someone who thought Maximum Security should have stayed up in the Derby? How should he have stayed up but this was an obvious DQ?

Not to mention, the notion that a horse has more time to recover from an early foul somehow makes one less egregious is indefensibly moronic. If the horse “recovers” but still falls a few inches short it somehow didn’t affect him but a late one did? That’s such horrifically bad logic it’s hard to believe anyone would endorse it.