USC kills Notre Dame

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I really couldn't care less about UM, but I think it's insane that they're getting dogged the way they are because they played ONE really terrible game...

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Nowadays anytime someone is defeated, sports team, athlete, horse you name it. There seems to be an excuse.

I'm going to compare it to horse racing. I find it insane that there are people out there who were ready to crown Bernardini not only 3yo of the year, but Horse of the Year if he won the BCC. Instead, he gets beat by a LENGTH, and now many of those same people are saying that he should not even be 3YO champion of the year because he didn't beat older horses in the BCC?!

One length should cost him both titles that people were ready to give him?

Likewise, Michigan gets trounced once and everyone jumps ship and starts dogging UM over it.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Well whoever is saying he shouldn't be 3 year old champ because he ran second in the Classic is insane and frankly an idiot. My point is, we live in a day and age where excuses are made for everything. Had Michigan trounced USC there would have been a huge outcry that they probably should have been playing Ohio St. for the Nat'l title. And I would have agreed with that. But, fact is they were trounced by USC and to say after the fact that they weren't themselves is just making an excuse because they were soundly defeated. If it were close it would be one thing....but it wasn't.

They weren't themselves...

They really weren't. I hope Ohio State plays just as poor.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Why exactly weren't themselves? Because they didn't play the absolute best game they have ever played, because in that case most teams that play aren't themselves.

Nah, they just weren't the same team to me, DaHoss. I can't say I watched every single Michigan game this season (because I didn't), but I watched most of them and that was a different team in the Rose Bowl. I really could care less either way, but I'm not willing to crown USC a better team off of that game. That would be like me saying USC sucked because UCLA beat them a month ago, you know?

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

My point is, we live in a day and age where excuses are made for everything.

I'm focusing mainly on two things right now

1.) That everything aside, I believe that Michigan is the second best team in college football, no excuses, no nothing.

2.) On the topic of excuses, the "play the game in Ann Arbor, MI" thing is an excuse -- but it's a very valid one. Look at how Tampa Bay can't beat the Bears in Chicago in December in like 13 tries, even when the Bears are terrible. Would it have changed the outcome? Probably not. Would it have affected the boys from SoCal to be put in Michigan in the middle of winter instead of a home game in socal? Probably. That's a very fair thing to point out.

[dalakhani]

To quote Dennis Green (subbing the wolverines for the bears) "Michigan is EXACTLY who we thought they were". End of story.

If the game had been even close, maybe there might be a point. But it wasnt. it was a drubbing. If this was a once in a blue moon kind of thing, maybe there would be a point. But it isnt. Michigan always loses to USC. Period. Do i need to bring up the stats?

USC lost twice this year. Close games but losses none the less. It happens. No excuses. In each game, with less than five minutes to go, USC needed but ONE score to take the lead. Can Michigan say the same thing? NO. With five minutes to go, they were down by 3 touchdowns.

When was the last time Michigan won ANY game of significance? When Brady was there?

But such is the fantasy world of the BLUE fans and some of the others that just simply have no understanding of the sport. They lose by two touchdowns and they still are the better team? Unreal.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

When was the last time Michigan won ANY game of significance? When Brady was there?

But such is the fantasy world of the BLUE fans and some of the others that just simply have no understanding of the sport. They lose by two touchdowns and they still are the better team? Unreal.

It's fun to watch the excuses fly.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

If the game had been even close, maybe there might be a point. But it wasnt. it was a drubbing. If this was a once in a blue moon kind of thing, maybe there would be a point. But it isnt. Michigan always loses to USC. Period. Do i need to bring up the stats?

They played one REALLY bad quarter of football. Without that one REALLY bad quarter of football, USC doesn't even win the game.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

USC lost twice this year. Close games but losses none the less. It happens. No excuses. In each game, with less than five minutes to go, USC needed but ONE score to take the lead. Can Michigan say the same thing? NO. With five minutes to go, they were down by 3 touchdowns.

But for crying out loud -- Oregon St. and UCLA? Speaks for itself.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

They lose by two touchdowns and they still are the better team?

I'm glad you're catching on -- that's what I've been saying this whole time.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

They played one REALLY bad quarter of football. Without that one REALLY bad quarter of football, USC doesn't even win the game.



But for crying out loud -- Oregon St. and UCLA? Speaks for itself.



I'm glad you're catching on -- that's what I've been saying this whole time.

Well, in fantasy land, Michigan actually won that game. But this is REALITY where excuses dont matter. In the real world, michigan got CRUSHED. The got beat like they always do.

Is that 7 straight bowl games now?

[dr. fager]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Well, in fantasy land, Michigan actually won that game. But this is REALITY where excuses dont matter. In the real world, michigan got CRUSHED. The got beat like they always do.

Is that 7 straight bowl games now? yep...ann arbor is STILL a whore.

well it's 4, and I guess you didn't read what I had to say on the subject and I'm actually a UM fan. Outplayed and outcoached.

Last big win....I might say PSU last year...no shame in losing to Texas with the clock expiring in 05, one of the best games I've ever seen. Any UM fan would say OSU in 03, probably Florida in 03...but then yes the Orange Bowl in with Brady was the last big game.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by dr. fager

well it's 4, and I guess you didn't read what I had to say on the subject and I'm actually a UM fan. Outplayed and outcoached.

Last big win....I might say PSU last year...no shame in losing to Texas with the clock expiring in 05, one of the best games I've ever seen. Any UM fan would say OSU in 03, probably Florida in 03...but then yes the Orange Bowl in with Brady was the last big game.

And thats fair enough good doctor. Michigan has nothing to hang its head about. They had a fine season.

My point was that the excuses get old especially in the face of that kind of beating.

Michigan should be set for a fine 2007. No Troy Smith should really help.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

They played one REALLY bad quarter of football. Without that one REALLY bad quarter of football, USC doesn't even win the game

If you watched the game and really think this to be true I have to wonder if your tv was on the fritz or your eyes are just maized over.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If you watched the game and really think this to be true I have to wonder if your tv was on the fritz or your eyes are just maized over.

If I remember, I think it was 3-3 before the quarter I referenced. My TV worked well enough for me to see that.

Which brings us back to one REALLY bad quarter of football that wins the game for USC. Playing bad football to a 3-3 tie at halftime is not getting routed by any stretch of the imagination. If USC was the wonderteam that everyone paints them as now, they would have blown the game open in the first half.

Which brings us right back to one REALLY bad quarter of football.

[ddthetide]

sc adjustments at halftime were excellent! sc dominated the whole second half. they exposed the poor tackling and weak over all play in the michigan secondary. same thing osu exposed weeks earlier . sc didn't have to run the ball any.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

If I remember, I think it was 3-3 before the quarter I referenced. My TV worked well enough for me to see that.

Which brings us back to one REALLY bad quarter of football that wins the game for USC. Playing bad football to a 3-3 tie at halftime is not getting routed by any stretch of the imagination. If USC was the wonderteam that everyone paints them as now, they would have blown the game open in the first half.

Which brings us right back to one REALLY bad quarter of football.

Actually it was 2 bad quarters with one being REALLY bad. You didn't even comment on the 'maized' over remark.
As someone who watches a lot of college football, is not a fan of either team, had no money bet on the game, my opinion was that USC was a better team, more athletic, faster, and as physical as Michigan. I also think Carrol made the better adjustments and it did seem like a usc crowd but I think that if they played this game 100 times USC wins at least 75. One thing that made Michigan seem beter than they really were this year was turnover ratio. Coming into the game they had only committed 10 turnovers all year while getting 25 takeaways. Turnovers are usually more luck than skill. Meaning if you drop a football on the ground in the middle of the field 10 times in theory each team would get the ball 5 times. Not making turnovers is a sign of a good team but Michigans #'s were unreal.
Everyone forgets that Michigan was really close to losing to Ball State. Real close. and Ball State is awful. Ucla or Oregon State would be 25pt favs over BS.