Next Big Stallion? What is your opinion?

Cajungator26 · #1 06-17-2006, 07:56 PM

What about this guy?

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/isd...ion_no=4299496

Hasn't had anything great yet, but he's definitely a nice looking stallion.

jpops757 · #2 06-17-2006, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

What about this guy?

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/isd...ion_no=4299496

Hasn't had anything great yet, but he's definitely a nice looking stallion.

Broadbrush probably has made more money in the shed than any other sire. So why cant one of his sons be a success?

disappearingdan_akaplaya · #3 06-17-2006, 11:35 PM

obviously im rooting for point given and smarty jones to be monsters in the shed but another newbie whos pleasing me so far is king cugat, his 5k fee wont be that low for a long time i suspect

#4 06-18-2006, 07:17 AM

I really like Three Chimney's Smarty Jones.

2Hot4TV · #5 06-18-2006, 08:18 AM

Rockhardten Just a big boy.

#6 06-18-2006, 08:56 AM

Medaglia D'Oro will be the next Super Stud.

paisjpq · #7 06-18-2006, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Blue Eyes

Medaglia D'Oro will be the next Super Stud.

you may be right on

#8 06-18-2006, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

Rockhardten Just a big boy.

I absolutely loved this horse...might be the best looking horse I have ever seen....couldn't take my eyes off of him...but, sons of Kris S. haven't been very good sires and a lot of bloodstock agents believe that Rock Hard Ten will suffer because of his paternal side.....I'm very anxious to see how he turns out...his foals should have a lot of size, at least...I actually considered him for my best mare before going to Vindication..

Suffolk Shippers · #9 06-18-2006, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

I absolutely loved this horse...might be the best looking horse I have ever seen....couldn't take my eyes off of him...but, sons of Kris S. haven't been very good sires and a lot of bloodstock agents believe that Rock Hard Ten will suffer because of his paternal side.....I'm very anxious to see how he turns out...his foals should have a lot of size, at least...I actually considered him for my best mare before going to Vindication..

Joel, its slighty off the topic, but yet somewhat related. I am wondering what you think of the stud possibilities for the last few darling three year olds, Afleet Alex and Smarty Jones?

2Hot4TV · #10 06-19-2006, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

I absolutely loved this horse...might be the best looking horse I have ever seen....couldn't take my eyes off of him...but, sons of Kris S. haven't been very good sires and a lot of bloodstock agents believe that Rock Hard Ten will suffer because of his paternal side.....I'm very anxious to see how he turns out...his foals should have a lot of size, at least...I actually considered him for my best mare before going to Vindication..

I haven't been into pedigree/breeding since the late 80's (last time I owned any race horses). If they bring some decent mares to him he's got a chance. I think that is where they make it. You can't have him cover mares that have little chance to produce good winners.

randallscott35 · #11 06-18-2006, 10:39 AM

Mineshaft...

Betsy · #12 06-18-2006, 12:43 PM

Cunningham, my question to you re: Mineshaft:

No matter how ugly/awkward/ etc.......his offspring appear to be now, don't you think breeders will at least wait until they run before judging him? Ok, maybe he won't sire the big, good-looking horses that sell well, but he is was still a superior racehorse with a superior pedigree and still has every right to be a great sire. Are stud fees set based on expected yearling sales prices or racetrack performance? If the former, then based on the lack of buzz, I guess I can understand why his stud fee would go down. However, isn't it still all about performance? How can any farm manager who dislikes Mineshaft's foals possibly even know whether they can run or not?I guess what I don't understand is that he was very highly regarded coming off the track; he was expected to be AP Indy's successor. Why is that not still possible? It makes no sense. Mineshaft hasn't lost his genetic ability between the time he retired and now - his pedigree is still the same. What is different, other than his foals are not precocious?

I would sincerely hope that, since Mineshaft was AP Indy's best horse (although Pulpit was right up there - he was brilliant) and the best hope to carry on the Bold Ruler line (what are the odds on Vindication being anywhere near as good as Indy at stud? Not very good, no matter how nice his foals are), breeders will at least give him a shot to suceeed before calling him a dud and forcing Lane's End to send him to Japan. How depressing -IMO,Mineshaft is still a better prospect at stud than Empire Maker and before he even gets off the ground, he's already deemed a failure.

disappearingdan_akaplaya · #13 06-18-2006, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Mineshaft...

mineshaft the best since the bid randy? i know you love the horse but how do you come to that conclusion? who did mineshaft beat? by the way in case if you forgot mineshaft ducked out and didnt show for racings biggest day. sheet numbers and beating 5 horse fields dont make you "great" or the best since any1

slotdirt · #14 06-20-2006, 01:12 PM

King Cugat is very underrated. Obviously, not the next big stallion, but definitely has potential.

witchdoctor · #15 07-04-2006, 03:57 PM

Here is the predictions on stallions futures by pedigree consultant George William Smith.

http://www.members.shaw.ca/gwsmith3/...ation2004.html

Downthestretch55 · #16 07-04-2006, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by witchdoctor

Here is the predictions on stallions futures by pedigree consultant George William Smith.

http://www.members.shaw.ca/gwsmith3/...ation2004.html

Witchdoctor,
With all due respect, and I'm sure George William Smith knows whereof he speaks, I'm going to take that list with a "grain of salt".
Reasons...too numerous to mention but I'll start with...
1981- Alydar was a much better broodmare sire than Affirmed.
1982- Spectacular Bid, great runner. How many offspring did he pass it on to?
1985- Caerleon, who do you think you're kidding?

Thanks for the input.
I think there are much better stallions than those cited.
DTS

#17 06-18-2006, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

What about this guy?

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/isd...ion_no=4299496

Hasn't had anything great yet, but he's definitely a nice looking stallion.

I liked Include as a racehorse, but the fact is taht sons of Broad Brush haven't been a success as stallions and I could never breed to them until they were proven....not enough speed in the family..