Lava Man to Dubai?

Sightseek · #1 01-02-2007, 09:23 AM

Next start is the Sunshine Millions Turf followed by a possible start in Dubai in one of their Turf races....

blackthroatedwind · #2 01-02-2007, 09:36 AM

Where he will get drowned.

Sightseek · #3 01-02-2007, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Where he will get drowned.

My thoughts too.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #4 01-02-2007, 09:37 AM

he may not even win the sunshine race..out side of his sand box cali

blackthroatedwind · #5 01-02-2007, 09:40 AM

They don't want to go to the million dollar Sunshine Millions race because they don't want to ship....but they are now going to ship half way around the world. Makes sense.

I guess for five or six million the ship makes MORE sense but he isn't that good and one has to believe those races should be pretty strong. He's a neat horse, and one you can root for, but this seems tough. But, hey, I give them credit for taking a shot. There probably isn't really a race for him until the Hollywood Gold Cup anyway.

blackthroatedwind · #6 01-02-2007, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

he may not even win the sunshine race..out side of his sand box cali

No, it's at Santa Anita. He is staying there for the turf instead of shipping.

Sightseek · #7 01-02-2007, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

They don't want to go to the million dollar Sunshine Millions race because they don't want to ship....but they are now going to ship half way around the world. Makes sense.

I guess for five or six million the ship makes MORE sense but he isn't that good and one has to believe those races should be pretty strong. He's a neat horse, and one you can root for, but this seems tough. But, hey, I give them credit for taking a shot. There probably isn't really a race for him until the Hollywood Gold Cup anyway.

Free accomodations and the Dubai first class treatment I suppose is their logic.

SniperSB23 · #8 01-02-2007, 09:48 AM

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Where he will get drowned.

I'm not so sure about that. I actually think he is much better on the turf than he is on the dirt. He beat King's Drama pretty easily in the Whittingham who looked pretty good on Sunday. How he will ship is a huge question mark but I don't think it is a foregone conclusion that he'll get drowned in Dubai. The Tin Man ran 2nd there last year. We know he can't ship and run on the dirt, now we'll find out if he just can't run out of California period.

Sightseek · #9 01-02-2007, 10:01 AM

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I'm not so sure about that. I actually think he is much better on the turf than he is on the dirt. He beat King's Drama pretty easily in the Whittingham who looked pretty good on Sunday. How he will ship is a huge question mark but I don't think it is a foregone conclusion that he'll get drowned in Dubai. The Tin Man ran 2nd there last year. We know he can't ship and run on the dirt, now we'll find out if he just can't run out of California period.

If his feet are as bad as they say they are it seems that it would be easier for him to run on a dirt base that has more cushion than the CA tracks.

blackthroatedwind · #10 01-02-2007, 10:05 AM

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I'm not so sure about that. I actually think he is much better on the turf than he is on the dirt. He beat King's Drama pretty easily in the Whittingham who looked pretty good on Sunday. How he will ship is a huge question mark but I don't think it is a foregone conclusion that he'll get drowned in Dubai. The Tin Man ran 2nd there last year. We know he can't ship and run on the dirt, now we'll find out if he just can't run out of California period.

I'm not a fan of King's Drama who as far as I can tell has never beaten any reasonably talented horse nor overcome a scintilla of trouble. The Tin Man was second but didn't he get beaten a reasonable amount? Plus, with the purse being much bigger this year one would have to think the field will be stronger. On the other hand, there are no more good horses running anywhere in the world, so how good can the field be.

It will make the race more exciting.

SniperSB23 · #11 01-02-2007, 10:16 AM

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I'm not a fan of King's Drama who as far as I can tell has never beaten any reasonably talented horse nor overcome a scintilla of trouble. The Tin Man was second but didn't he get beaten a reasonable amount? Plus, with the purse being much bigger this year one would have to think the field will be stronger. On the other hand, there are no more good horses running anywhere in the world, so how good can the field be.

It will make the race more exciting.

The Tin Man was beaten 3.5 lengths. It was however a 15 horse field so 2nd is nothing to be embarassed about.

#12 01-02-2007, 10:21 AM

I am pretty confident that Lava Man wont even hit the board in Dubai. I wonder if the connections are getting paid to go there by Godolphine. Shipping Lava Man out of Cali for anything doesnt make sense to me.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #13 01-02-2007, 10:23 AM

if he ships there ..i dont expect him to hit the board....flim maker lol he allways ran good for me..that dubai track has some strange turns..im sure the euros will send a good one there..for the turf..

paisjpq · #14 01-02-2007, 10:25 AM

oh god why? this is so pointless IMO...no way Lava man ships to the dessert and wins...not if he can't ship to KY and hit the board. This is stupid on the part of his connections. He's a nice horse that likes to stay home! Why can't they accept that?

paisjpq · #15 01-02-2007, 10:26 AM

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I am pretty confident that Lava Man wont even hit the board in Dubai. I wonder if the connections are getting paid to go there by Godolphine. Shipping Lava Man out of Cali for anything doesnt make sense to me.

I don't know if they pay an appearance fee but they pay EVERYTHING else...I remember hearing stories about it from the Bradley's after Brass Hat went.

Dunbar · #16 01-02-2007, 10:54 AM

Some folks can't wait to slam Lava Man. If you insist on the "he can't ship" outlook, then look at it this way: Lava Man has never lost on turf when he's shipped.

I think he has an excellent chance to hit the board. If he does, all the slammers will knock the competition, as they did for The Tin Man. Or they will say he stole the race. (As they, again, did for TTM in the Arlington Million.)

--Dunbar

blackthroatedwind · #17 01-02-2007, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunbar

Some folks can't wait to slam Lava Man. If you insist on the "he can't ship" outlook, then look at it this way: Lava Man has never lost on turf when he's shipped.

I think he has an excellent chance to hit the board. If he does, all the slammers will knock the competition, as they did for The Tin Man. Or they will say he stole the race. (As they, again, did for TTM in the Arlington Million.)

--Dunbar

Or they will be right and, as usual, the people who took free internet shots will never revisit their bad opinions. But, should they be wrong, I'm sure those same internet cowards will come to remind them.

As an example....where are all of Perfect Drift's ridiculous pre-BC defenders?

brockguy · #18 01-02-2007, 11:04 AM

I think he could do alright. Dubai throws up alot of strange results. would he go for the sheema over 12f or the duty free over 9f though?? Both of them had huge cash injections last year, both worth the same amount. If he won either, he'd win the second richest race of the year..

KirisClown · #19 01-02-2007, 11:19 AM

If the goal for 2007 is to be embarrassed at the international level... then this is a great move...

outofthebox · #20 01-02-2007, 11:40 AM

Someone please remind the O neill barn that all medications must cease at least 30 days out from the race. We don't need another Brass Hat fiasco.