2020 Kentucky Derby contender watch

[moses]

Originally Posted by moses

I wonder how good Chance It and As Seen on Tv are then. I threw some money on Chance It in Pool 2 based on the Sam Davis.

Speaking of Chance It - was his Beyer figure for the Mucho Macho Man changed? Everyone reported it as a 94 after the race but DRF has it listed as a 99 on their website.

[Alabama Stakes]

Nadal is built like a brick shithouse. He has muscles in places that most hosses don’t have places. Your derby winner.

[moses]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

Nadal is built like a brick shithouse. He has muscles in places that most hosses don’t have places. Your derby winner.

He looks good...but not ready to crown him the winner yet.

[blackthroatedwind]

Nadal is obviously very talented, but to think he's a Derby winner off the San Vicente performance is ludicrous. The horse he dueled with finished second, so it's not as though the pace fell apart.

Nice horse, great trainer, too much hype.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Nadal is obviously very talented, but to think he's a Derby winner off the San Vicente performance is ludicrous. The horse he dueled with finished second, so it's not as though the pace fell apart.

Nice horse, great trainer, too much hype.

You weren’t sold on the idea he has muscles in places other horses don’t have places?

I know I was.

[moses]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

You weren’t sold on the idea he has muscles in places other horses don’t have places?

I know I was.

I heard that same thing about Justify. It’ll be nice to have another triple crown winner this year. I just hope they let Nadal finish his 3YO campaign and run at the Breeders Cup.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by moses

I heard that same thing about Justify. It’ll be nice to have another triple crown winner this year. I just hope they let Nadal finish his 3YO campaign and run at the Breeders Cup.

I think instead of running this year they should just announce him as the Triple Crown, Haskell, Travers and Classic winner and move on to next year.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

You weren’t sold on the idea he has muscles in places other horses don’t have places?

I know I was.

Glad you were.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

Glad you were.

Is English your first language?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

Glad you were.

I just looked at the plays thread. You touted Nadal as winning the KY Derby, are begging for kudos here and left him off your pick 4 and had the winner in the last?

Impressive. I guess when you’re not really betting that kind of stuff makes sense but real bettors cash there. Oh well.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

Nadal is built like a brick shithouse. He has muscles in places that most hosses don’t have places. Your derby winner.

Nice display of speed and stamina today.

[moses]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

Nice display of speed and stamina today.

Really doubtful about this race. Excession is not that good...and I know he got a pace to run into...but I suspect this race may not prove to be very good. I guess we’ll see. I’m skeptical and like Authentic the best of Baffert’s horses...but if Nadal is legit, it looks like he is pretty stacked this year, moreso than usual.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by moses

Really doubtful about this race. Excession is not that good...and I know he got a pace to run into...but I suspect this race may not prove to be very good. I guess we’ll see. I’m skeptical and like Authentic the best of Baffert’s horses...but if Nadal is legit, it looks like he is pretty stacked this year, moreso than usual.

What are you doubtful about?

[moses]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

What are you doubtful about?

The Beyer and Timeform figures coming back so favorable for Nadal. Did Excession run the race of his life (with a favorable pace set up obviously) or was the level of the rest of the competition maybe not that good?

Nadal looks good but I’m doubtful he is as good as that race makes him look. I think Silver Prospector and Three Technique are probably not as good as anyone thought and Basin is hard to judge because he was coming off such a long layoff.

Just my opinion but I think Authentic will prove to be better than Nadal. Obviously, I could be wrong.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by moses

The Beyer and Timeform figures coming back so favorable for Nadal. Did Excession run the race of his life (with a favorable pace set up obviously) or was the level of the rest of the competition maybe not that good?

Nadal looks good but I’m doubtful he is as good as that race makes him look. I think Silver Prospector and Three Technique are probably not as good as anyone thought and Basin is hard to judge because he was coming off such a long layoff.

Just my opinion but I think Authentic will prove to be better than Nadal. Obviously, I could be wrong.

I wouldn’t read into a long shot lumbering up for second with that pace. Happens all the time. That was a solid prep for the winner. Is he the derby fav who knows. Derby most likely is going to get postponed so tough to get too excited now.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by moses

The Beyer and Timeform figures coming back so favorable for Nadal. Did Excession run the race of his life (with a favorable pace set up obviously) or was the level of the rest of the competition maybe not that good?

Nadal looks good but I’m doubtful he is as good as that race makes him look. I think Silver Prospector and Three Technique are probably not as good as anyone thought and Basin is hard to judge because he was coming off such a long layoff.

Just my opinion but I think Authentic will prove to be better than Nadal. Obviously, I could be wrong.

It’s definitely fair to question the field, but I think there are a few things to look at. One the wet track. Some handled it, some did not.

The pace was crazy fast, look where the other speed horses finished.

I’m with you that the runner up isn’t very good but he got the right set up and a track he obviously took to. Those things allow horses to run the race of their life.

I’m not sure how good Nadal is but that was a very strong race IMO

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by moses

The Beyer and Timeform figures coming back so favorable for Nadal. Did Excession run the race of his life (with a favorable pace set up obviously) or was the level of the rest of the competition maybe not that good?

Nadal looks good but I’m doubtful he is as good as that race makes him look. I think Silver Prospector and Three Technique are probably not as good as anyone thought and Basin is hard to judge because he was coming off such a long layoff.

Just my opinion but I think Authentic will prove to be better than Nadal. Obviously, I could be wrong.

Basin didn’t look like he got any bigger. I thought the mud yesterday would be his best chance, I doubt we see him on the trail. Authentic is pretty good, but last time was the last time he beats Honor AP. The last time was also a cool stones song that Grateful Dead played very well out of Space or as an occasional encore like in Foxboro summer tour 1990 before Brent passed away. RIP.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by moses

Really doubtful about this race. Excession is not that good...and I know he got a pace to run into...but I suspect this race may not prove to be very good. I guess we’ll see. I’m skeptical and like Authentic the best of Baffert’s horses...but if Nadal is legit, it looks like he is pretty stacked this year, moreso than usual.

That was a great effort in my opinion.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

Nadal is built like a brick shithouse. He has muscles in places that most hosses don’t have places. Your derby winner.

Arkansas Derby, that is. Runs as well as he looks.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

Arkansas Derby, that is. Runs as well as he looks.

Yeah you really went out on a limb there