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Old 01-20-2020, 11:04 AM
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98 for Nadal debut Sunday..
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That was impressive
Nadal looked great. You’ve got to feel bad for Baffert. Having so many good 3YOs forces him to either run against himself for purses and Derby qualifying points or ship the horses out.
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Nadal looked great. You’ve got to feel bad for Baffert. Having so many good 3YOs forces him to either run against himself for purses and Derby qualifying points or ship the horses out.
I feel horrible for him.
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I feel bad for the other trainers struggling to make ends meet because 1 trainer has so many good horses
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Old 01-20-2020, 08:39 PM
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Baffert is Brown West.
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Old 01-21-2020, 03:54 AM
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Baffert wasn't in the Top 50 in number of individual starters last year (116). If the argument is that he gets 'all the best horses', as judged by expensive sales prospects, that's a fairly recent development. But he's never had a factory operation.

Trainers with more than 150 individual starters in '19..

Steven M. Asmussen 612
Karl Broberg 544
Mark E. Casse 320
Michael J. Maker 312
Brad H. Cox 311
Robertino Diodoro 310
Chad C. Brown 301
Todd A. Pletcher 269
Joe Sharp 231
Linda Rice 218
Jonathan Wong 215
Jeremiah C. Englehart 202
Jorge Navarro 199
Jamie Ness 198
Michael Stidham 194
Rudy R. Rodriguez 193
Claudio A. Gonzalez 188
Doug F. O'Neill 181
Scott A. Lake 174
Jason Servis 171
William I. Mott 164
Thomas M. Amoss 163
Wesley A. Ward 159
Norman McKnight 158
H. Graham Motion 157
Frank Lucarelli 151
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Baffert wasn't in the Top 50 in number of individual starters last year (116). If the argument is that he gets 'all the best horses', as judged by expensive sales prospects, that's a fairly recent development. But he's never had a factory operation.

Trainers with more than 150 individual starters in '19..

Steven M. Asmussen 612
Karl Broberg 544
Mark E. Casse 320
Michael J. Maker 312
Brad H. Cox 311
Robertino Diodoro 310
Chad C. Brown 301
Todd A. Pletcher 269
Joe Sharp 231
Linda Rice 218
Jonathan Wong 215
Jeremiah C. Englehart 202
Jorge Navarro 199
Jamie Ness 198
Michael Stidham 194
Rudy R. Rodriguez 193
Claudio A. Gonzalez 188
Doug F. O'Neill 181
Scott A. Lake 174
Jason Servis 171
William I. Mott 164
Thomas M. Amoss 163
Wesley A. Ward 159
Norman McKnight 158
H. Graham Motion 157
Frank Lucarelli 151
This list does not speak to the concentration of the best stock being in the hands of so few
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This list does not speak to the concentration of the best stock being in the hands of so few
Related, but different topic.
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Baffert wasn't in the Top 50 in number of individual starters last year (116). If the argument is that he gets 'all the best horses', as judged by expensive sales prospects, that's a fairly recent development. But he's never had a factory operation.
Come on Steve. He’s the poster child for the rich get richer in this sport. I don’t fault owners for sending horses to him. The results speak for themselves. But there are a lot of really good trainers that don’t get the stock he gets EVERY single year and has gotten EVERY single year for decades.

My comment had more to do with the notion that someone feels bad for him for having to run his horses against each other. Maybe it was tongue in cheek but it didn’t appear that way. He has to run his horses against each other because he has so many quality horses.
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Old 01-21-2020, 09:35 AM
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Come on Steve. He’s the poster child for the rich get richer in this sport. I don’t fault owners for sending horses to him. The results speak for themselves. But there are a lot of really good trainers that don’t get the stock he gets EVERY single year and has gotten EVERY single year for decades.

My comment had more to do with the notion that someone feels bad for him for having to run his horses against each other. Maybe it was tongue in cheek but it didn’t appear that way. He has to run his horses against each other because he has so many quality horses.
Just to clarify - I was definitely joking with my comment.

Baffert is a great trainer...but you’re right that there are many other great trainers that don’t have the opportunities that he has. I don’t fault the owners either. It’s just the way things are.
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Come on Steve. He’s the poster child for the rich get richer in this sport. I don’t fault owners for sending horses to him. The results speak for themselves. But there are a lot of really good trainers that don’t get the stock he gets EVERY single year and has gotten EVERY single year for decades.
As Baffert said to me in an interview recently when asked about the flow of premium talent, "I worked my whole career to get to this spot".

It is not true that Baffert received elite stock 'for decades'. He never had the volume that Pletcher or even Mott was receiving and the horses he was getting were relatively modest priced ($100,000-$250,000) and quality homebreds. It's only in the last 7-10 years that he started to receive high ticket sales prospects.

Here are the Top 20 horses of Baffert's career based on earnings:

Arrogate (2014 KEE YRLG) $560,000 (Juddmonte)
American Pharoah (2014 2YO) Homebred (Zayat)
Captain Steve (1998 FT JUL YRLG) $150,000 (Pegram)
Game On Dude (KEE 2008 YRLG) $210,000-RNA (Diamond Pride/Lanni+)
West Coast (2015 SEP YRLG) $425,000 (West)
Hoppertunity (2012 SEP YRLG) $300,000 (Pegram+)
Bayern (2013 TIM 2YO) $300,000 (Shah)
Silver Charm (OBS SPR 2YO) $100,000 (Lewis)
Point Given (2000 2YO) Homebred (Thoroughbred Corp.)
Justify (2016 KEE YRLG) $500,000 (China Horse Club+)
Secret Circle (2011 OBS MAR) $165,000 (Pegram+)
McKinzie (2016 KEE SEP YRLG) $170,000 (Pegram+)
Lookin At Lucky (2009 KEE APR 2YO) $475,000 (Pegram+)
Real Quiet (1996 KEE YRLG) $17,000 (Pegram)
Congaree (2000 YRLG) Homebred (Stonerside)
War Emblem (2000 KEE YRLG) Private Purchase (Thoroughbred Corp.)
Silverbulletday (1997 FT JUL YRLG) $155,000 (Pegram)
Indian Blessing (2007 2YO) Homebred (Earnhardt)
Collected (2015 OBS MAR 2YO) $170,000 (Speedway)
General Challenge (1998 2YO) Homebred (Mabee)
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