Done till Spa. F horse racing

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

I don't post here very often at all, but I've literally seen it all today.

Full Disclosure: while I respected Country House, I did not use the horse in my trifecta. So I personally don't really have a b*tch coming to me - from a bettor standpoint - anyway.

I've seen bad takedowns, some of which I've benefitted from, some of which I've were ignored and also benefitted from. And vise versa.

Today marks a brand new chapter in abject absurdity. A chapter where brain-dead, know-nothing-about-the-sport *Chief Stewards* are Charged with making decisions that affect literally ten's of millions of dollars of hard-earned wagering dollars.

This CANNOT go unchallenged. The integrity of the sport (or what's left of it) is at stake.

Dan this was worst travesty I ever saw and I have no betting interest in this. I will watch tomorrow when I’m sober but I’m not drunk enough to think this was fair.

[Dahoss]

I thought it was the right call. The winner absolutely fouled War of Will. I’m not sure how that is even debatable.

I feel for anyone that bet Maximum Security but a foul is a foul. I’d expect the same result on a Monday at Parx as I do in the Derby.

Integrity is taking the horse down that fouled a horse and cost him a placing. Not taking him down because it’s the Derby would be the opposite of that.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I thought it was the right call. The winner absolutely fouled War of Will. I’m not sure how that is even debatable.

I feel for anyone that bet Maximum Security but a foul is a foul. I’d expect the same result on a Monday at Parx as I do in the Derby.

Integrity is taking the horse down that fouled a horse and cost him a placing. Not taking him down because it’s the Derby would be the opposite of that.

War of Will absolutely was fouled. Hossy you are correct - no debate.
Gafflione was interviewed and said he had no horse, regardless of MS coming out. The fact remains - Country House was never touched, never vied for the lead but was put up based on nonsense.

[Heels1989]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

War of Will absolutely was fouled. Hossy you are correct - no debate.
Gafflione was interviewed and said he had no horse, regardless of MS coming out. The fact remains - Country House was never touched, never vied for the lead but was put up based on nonsense.

^^^this!!!

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

War of Will absolutely was fouled. Hossy you are correct - no debate.
Gafflione was interviewed and said he had no horse, regardless of MS coming out. The fact remains - Country House was never touched, never vied for the lead but was put up based on nonsense.

I think MS was DQ’d for fouling War of Will though. That’s why he was placed behind him.

Total agreement Country House wasn’t fouled.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I think MS was DQ’d for fouling War of Will though. That’s why he was placed behind him.

Total agreement Country House wasn’t fouled.

This was literally coming through the last turn, not in the stretch, and not affecting the outcome of the race....would you feel the same if they bumped out of the gate?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

This was literally coming through the last turn, not in the stretch, and not affecting the outcome of the race....would you feel the same if they bumped out of the gate?

I don’t agree it didn’t affect War of Will. I don’t care what Gaffilione says.

I’d love to see more DQs for more gate fouls.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I don’t agree it didn’t affect War of Will. I don’t care what Gaffilione says.

I’d love to see more DQs for more gate fouls.

You are a seasoned horseplayer whose opinion I respect greatly. I simply ask you watch this race again. WoW was never winning this race.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I don’t agree it didn’t affect War of Will. I don’t care what Gaffilione says.

Not sure if the Gaffilione quote is out of context. Why would he say he was out of horse if the War of Will was still contending for the win in deep stretch?

[hurricanefrank]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

This was literally coming through the last turn, not in the stretch, and not affecting the outcome of the race....would you feel the same if they bumped out of the gate?

there is no rule in ky of which I am aware which speaks to "not affecting the outcome of a race." Besides, who knows what War of the Will may have done if not interfered with at top of lane. Outcomes of races are absolutely impacted by fouls which occur within the race. And yes Bayern should have been DQ'd.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by hurricanefrank

there is no rule in ky of which I am aware which speaks to "not affecting the outcome of a race." Besides, who knows what War of the Will may have done if not interfered with at top of lane. Outcomes of races are absolutely impacted by fouls which occur within the race. And yes Bayern should have been DQ'd.

I always thought Bayern deserved to be DQ'd until I saw the view from overhead. When you see the head-on it looks like he took out the whole field. But when you watch the overhead view, it doesn't look too bad. After seeing the overhead view I don't think he should have been taken down. To be taken down for interference out of the gate, you have to really butcher someone. This was not that bad. Watch the overhead view. About 12 seconds into this video, they show the overhead view:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwL4IKBOzrs

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I thought it was the right call. The winner absolutely fouled War of Will. I’m not sure how that is even debatable.

I feel for anyone that bet Maximum Security but a foul is a foul. I’d expect the same result on a Monday at Parx as I do in the Derby.

Integrity is taking the horse down that fouled a horse and cost him a placing. Not taking him down because it’s the Derby would be the opposite of that.

Ok. Tell that to the crowd that was booing. You’ve seen worse Hoss and you know it.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Ok. Tell that to the crowd that was booing. You’ve seen worse Hoss and you know it.

I’m sorry you lost but the crowd booing doesn’t matter.

I’ve seen worse stay up and I’ve seen less come down. It has no bearing on what happened today.

[fpsoxfan]

If the 1 got second I’d be more convinced. Bad call. I saw mike smith do worse multiple timee including travers day

[tanner12oz]

Bayern stays up and ms doesn't..

[cakes44]

If I bet MS I’m so much more pissed at Saez than the stewards.

[moses]

Probably deserved to be brought down. He not only impacted War of Will but possibly Long Range Toddy as well.

For a while, I thought he wouldn’t come down because I’ve seen worse stay up and because it’s the derby. But I can’t really object to it. I also had a wager on country house to win...so I’m a little biased. The biggest reason I honestly thought the only reason he wouldn’t come down is because of it being the derby. Normal race? Id expect him to come down.

[ScottJ]

This will require watching the replays about a dozen more times to understand what happened to my choices during the race (5-8-16), but there are some facts on which we have to agree:

[1] Maximum Security came out from the 2-path to the 5-path heading into the stretch.

[2] War of Will was throwing his legs trying to avoid the leader and actually placed his left front hoof between the legs of Maximum Security in the 4-path.

[3] Maximum Security dove from the 5-path back to the 2-path and tightened the path of Code of Honor on the rail.

At the end of the arguing, Maximum Security was all over the track. As horse players, this community should be damned grateful that War of Will did not go down as it would have taken at least five others down.

Forget about the horses and jockeys which is everso important, but can you imagine the media outrage that would follow from the casual observer?

It is time for the Kentucky Rodeo to return to a reasonable horse race. This 20 horse attack needs to be rethought. Exciting? Sure. About time to enforce straight lanes for all participants.

[ACGord]

Full disclosure. I was live in the Pick-4 on two tickets with the 7. It's my worst beat ever and I think it was a bullshit takedown. I'll look at it tomorrow with a little clearer head but maaaaaan that's a tough beat.

[LITF]

Oh man...it is 100% a bullshit take down. And I fell bad for you. But **** that guy. I am glad they took him down. It’s bullshit when the game is compromised at this level. Can’t wait to play Game Winner back.