2019 Derby Trail: Bourbon War brings Belmont field to 10

[moses]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Jon White's Projected Kentucky Derby Odds

As discussed yesterday; Pace quadrants with NTamm on Friday..

9-2 Omaha Beach
5-1 Roadster
6-1 Game Winner
6-1 Tacitus

10-1 Improbable
12-1 Maximum Security
15-1 Code of Honor
15-1 Vekoma

20-1 By My Standards
20-1 Tax
20-1 War of Will
20-1 Win Win Win

30-1 Country House
30-1 Cutting Humor
30-1 Haikal
30-1 Long Range Toddy
30-1 Plus Que Parfait
30-1 Spinoff

50-1 Gray Magician
50-1 Master Fencer

Interesting listening to Jon discuss his thinking for the lines. I could see Game Winner floating up a bit in price. Who is going to bet him at 6-1 at this point?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by moses

Interesting listening to Jon discuss his thinking for the lines. I could see Game Winner floating up a bit in price. Who is going to bet him at 6-1 at this point?

I probably would. I still think he’s the best 3 year old and neither of his starts this year have discouraged that thought. I think Baffert had a plan to have him peak for the Derby and even though Roadster beat him in the SA Derby, he was 4 wide for a long time and made first move, while Roadster drafted and made the last move. He’s won over the Churchill surface and while I hope you’re right that he drifts up in price, 6-1 seems fair.

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I probably would. I still think he’s the best 3 year old and neither of his starts this year have discouraged that thought. I think Baffert had a plan to have him peak for the Derby and even though Roadster beat him in the SA Derby, he was 4 wide for a long time and made first move, while Roadster drafted and made the last move. He’s won over the Churchill surface and while I hope you’re right that he drifts up in price, 6-1 seems fair.

Agreed. I'm on him at 6-1, so i'm definitely on him at anything higher.

[moses]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I probably would. I still think he’s the best 3 year old and neither of his starts this year have discouraged that thought. I think Baffert had a plan to have him peak for the Derby and even though Roadster beat him in the SA Derby, he was 4 wide for a long time and made first move, while Roadster drafted and made the last move. He’s won over the Churchill surface and while I hope you’re right that he drifts up in price, 6-1 seems fair.

Originally Posted by cakes44

Agreed. I'm on him at 6-1, so i'm definitely on him at anything higher.

I like Game Winner and think he is the most likely of the horses to hit the board. But to win? As consistent as he’s been, he hasn’t taken that next step...yet. I also suspect the California horses are a little overrated this year.

Plus, we saw his odds rise to 7-1 in Pool 4, and that was before Omaha Beach won the Arkansas Derby. So I think we see his odds end up above 6-1.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I probably would. I still think he’s the best 3 year old and neither of his starts this year have discouraged that thought. I think Baffert had a plan to have him peak for the Derby and even though Roadster beat him in the SA Derby, he was 4 wide for a long time and made first move, while Roadster drafted and made the last move. He’s won over the Churchill surface and while I hope you’re right that he drifts up in price, 6-1 seems fair.

Agree, and I also would.

[Alabama Stakes]

Is Wright considering Jose Ortiz or Joel Rosario for Anothertwistafate?

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

Is Wright considering Jose Ortiz or Joel Rosario for Anothertwistafate?

Jose has the mount

[Benny]

http://www.brisnet.com/edgeped/2019preakness.pdf

[Kasept]

Ten Strike's Warrior's Charge, impressive ALW winner on the Fantasy undercard, gives Brad Cox a 2nd Preakness starter to go with Owendale.. Castellano rides looking for his 3rd Preakness win (Bernardini, Cloud Computing).

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Jose has the mount

It figures. He is colder than Cold Rain and Snow. 9/26/91 Boston Garden. The soundboard video on YouTube tells the story the best since you can hear the beautiful long intro in its entirety. The crowd noise after the rippin Jack Straw drowns it out on the audience tapes. Jerry playing Rosebud so intricately is so nice to watch. My favorite show from 91

[tjfla]

Originally Posted by Kasept

5/18 (PIM): PREAKNESS STAKES

1. War of Will (Casse/Gaffalione)
2. Improbable (Baffert/Smith)
3. Laughing Fox (Asmussen/Vasquez)
4. Win Win Win (Trombetta/Pimental)
5. Anothertwistafate (Wright/TBA)
6. Owendale (Cox/Geroux)
7. Alwaysmining (Rubley/Centeno)
8. Signalman (McPeek/B. Hernandez)
9. Bourbon War (Hennig/I. Ortiz)
10. Warrior's Charge (Cox/Castellano)
11. Bodexpress (A. Delgado/J. Velazquez)
12. Market King (Lukas/TBA)

Can Prat file an objection from the jocks room OR is Maryland gonna let this race be run like big races are usually run?

No Prat or Court-so who is the favorite to cry about getting touched by another horse?

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by tjfla

Can Prat file an objection from the jocks room OR is Maryland gonna let this race be run like big races are usually run?

No Prat or Court-so who is the favorite to cry about getting touched by another horse?

I know if I was one of those trainers with a TBA next to my name, I'd be giving him a call. I'm not sure there's a better jock in the country.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by cakes44

I know if I was one of those trainers with a TBA next to my name, I'd be giving him a call. I'm not sure there's a better jock in the country.

Than Prat? He got outridden most of the winter by Rosario.

[Kasept]

5/18 (PIM): PREAKNESS STAKES

1. War of Will (Casse/Gaffalione) 4-1
2. Bourbon War (Hennig/I. Ortiz) 12-1
3. Warrior's Charge (Cox/Castellano) 12-1
4. Improbable (Baffert/Smith) 5-2
5. Owendale (Cox/Geroux) 10-1
6. Market King (Lukas/Court) 30-1
7. Alwaysmining (Rubley/Centeno) 8-1
8. Signalman (McPeek/B. Hernandez) 30-1
9. Bodexpress (A. Delgado/J. Velazquez) 20-1
10. Everfast (Romans/Rosario) 50-1
11. Laughing Fox (Asmussen/Santana) 20-1
12. Anothertwistafate (Wright/J. Ortiz) 6-1
13. Win Win Win (Trombetta/Pimental) 15-1

[moses]

Originally Posted by tjfla

Can Prat file an objection from the jocks room OR is Maryland gonna let this race be run like big races are usually run?

No Prat or Court-so who is the favorite to cry about getting touched by another horse?

Who is riding Market King?

[herkhorse]

What happened to Sueno? Thought he was in.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by herkhorse

What happened to Sueno? Thought he was in.

Hasn't worked in over a month (since the Lexington).