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So the premise that the Triple Crown has become easier is on a shaky foundation. Quote:
As far as the NY upsets, not sure the Bet Twice, Easy Goer, Touch Gold, Victory Gallop, Empire Maker or even Lemon Drop Kid and Birdstone Belmonts were considered true upsets. Quote:
Why not explore upstream solutions that promote and emphasize stamina to compliment the abundance of speed and precocity (and unsoundness) that currently plagues the sport? Instead of artificially making races more competitive, why not force breeders to focus on neglected facets of the sport (i.e. classic distances, older horse divisions)? Even if you couldn't compel breeders to alter their methods, sometimes the pendulum simply swings the other way. The top stallion in North America right now is Tapit, partly on the basis of his ability to impart stamina in his offspring (he earned yet another placing in the Belmont Stakes today). If a single stallion begins to dominate a certain subset of races (e.g., sprints, middle distances, classic distances), then it is the breeders who will be forced to become more competitive lest Tapit sire a Belmont winner annually. Quote:
Why reward owners and trainers (and breeders) for keeping their horses in the barn during their active racing years and then retiring them from competition before they've arguably reached their peak at 4 or 5 years of age? Quote:
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Curlin and Hard Spun finish 1,2 in the 2007 BC Classic, demonstrating how competing in all three Triple Crown races ruins a horse for the rest of the year...see avatar photo from REUTERS/Lucas Jackson |
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![]() Wouldn’t Justify have won even if the races were shorter? Which 3 year old that didn’t run is going to beat him at 9f, 9.5f, and 10f?
If you wanted to make any changes, maybe shorten only the Preakness. But I wouldn’t really advocate for that either. I think it’s fine the way it is. |
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I think back to the history of the sport and we talk about the near misses. I don’t have the historical perspective you have (I’ve only been watching races since 1986) but I have a feeling that back in the days before that, the horses that stopped TC attempts were good horses that were logical contenders and closer to on par with the Derby/Preakness winner than what we get today. No, it’s not an upset when Easy Goer or Bet Twice or Touch Gold wins. Those were good horses all along that had proven they were in the same class as the horses they beat. I don’t see that these days. I do agree with you 100% that the bonus would help. In the end, I don’t want to walk away feeling like I did yesterday. It was anti-climactic for me. I had zero belief anyone could beat Justify and it wasn’t because I feel he is just a superior horse. I feel like the conditions set it up to where if you get one horse that is good enough, it’s less challenging. I’d like to see a series where several horses fit the conditions and are logical contenders in each race and there be actual incentive to run in each race.
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The real horses of the year (1986-2020) Manila, Java Gold, Alysheba, Sunday Silence, Go for Wand, In Excess, Paseana, Kotashaan, Holy Bull, Cigar, Alphabet Soup, Formal Gold, Skip Away, Artax, Tiznow, Point Given, Azeri, Candy Ride, Smarty Jones, Ghostzapper, Invasor, Curlin, Zenyatta, Zenyatta, Goldikova, Havre de Grace, Wise Dan, Wise Dan, California Chrome, American Pharoah, Arrogate, Gun Runner, Accelerate, Maximum Security, Gamine |
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![]() I actually do think the new point system has made it easier, or at least more likely anyway. Less speedballs get into the KD now, meaning less pace collapses, making it easier for the best horse to win the first leg. When the best horse wins the KD, then you have the best horse being the one with the chance to win the TC, and not some horse that relies on other horses falling apart to win. JMO...fire away.
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As a sports fan, I like to see competition. If I want to watch displays of brilliance, I can watch the Warriors. But they have made the results a foregone conclusion. I’d much rather see a playoffs where several teams have realistic chances to win. I’d like to have this conversation in five years. I believe we’ll have at least two more winners in that span.
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The real horses of the year (1986-2020) Manila, Java Gold, Alysheba, Sunday Silence, Go for Wand, In Excess, Paseana, Kotashaan, Holy Bull, Cigar, Alphabet Soup, Formal Gold, Skip Away, Artax, Tiznow, Point Given, Azeri, Candy Ride, Smarty Jones, Ghostzapper, Invasor, Curlin, Zenyatta, Zenyatta, Goldikova, Havre de Grace, Wise Dan, Wise Dan, California Chrome, American Pharoah, Arrogate, Gun Runner, Accelerate, Maximum Security, Gamine |
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![]() Yesterday was awesome. If you can't find joy in a worthy TC winner, it probably makes sense to dive deep into the intricacies of Curling. Yeah it was a bit of a phony race, Justify showed up, he ran great, and save some odd decisions in the first turn I thought the race unfolded precisely how it should for a champion.
I don't know; when the SA Derby, KD, Preakness, and Belmont become common for colts in their 3rd 4th 5th and 6th start I guess I will yawn as well until then, I am pretty sure I witnessed a fantastic series of accomplishments. |
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![]() No to changing the Triple Crown, no to shortening the Derby field, no to shortening the Preakness. The only change worth making is a special gate without the auxiliary gap. C'mon Churchill, do it, it's time.
No to the bonus. It was fun til the Prairie Bayou incident. I can't watch that again. Some sort of bonus for somebody wouldn't be wrong, but I'd like it to be different than one for the TC. Maybe give Todd Pletcher his very own bonus to run in the Preakness. Give him a sack of money in unmarked bills you drop in the Pimlico infield. |
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Had a long discussion about 2 years ago with Ed D about this and the Derby has fundamentally changed with the points system. Mixed reactions as a gambler but it has identified the best horse better (most of the time- Always Dreaming an exception.)
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