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Old 05-24-2018, 05:07 AM
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Justify (Baffert)
Restoring Hope (Baffert)

thats a nice lineup. Can make a case for a few of them.

...and why is he running a horse against himself?
He trains the horses. He doesn't own them (at least these). Owner Gary West wants to run Restoring Hope. And he's not a guy to argue with.
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Old 05-24-2018, 07:32 AM
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Old 05-24-2018, 08:39 AM
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Hofburg feels like the massive wise guy horse.
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Old 05-24-2018, 09:49 AM
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Hofburg feels like the massive wise guy horse.
Hofburg, Bravazo, Free Drop Billy, Tenfold, Vino Russo and Audible (if he even runs) are all about the same and can see any of them right there. They all are pretty good and are very similar styles. Think Hofburg will get money on him for sure.
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Old 05-24-2018, 10:13 AM
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Hofburg feels like the massive wise guy horse.
Agreed, though I think he’s a serious racehorse.

I think Free Drop Billy sucks.
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Old 05-24-2018, 09:53 PM
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Agreed, though I think he’s a serious racehorse.

I think Free Drop Billy sucks.
Agree.
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Old 05-24-2018, 10:24 AM
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Hofburg feels like the massive wise guy horse.
How is the likely second choice a wise guy horse.

As a wise guy, well before I sold out, I resent the constant misuse of this once respected term. It used to be that if you didn't know history, you were doomed to mislearn it from Hollywood...now it's from message boards.
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Old 05-24-2018, 11:41 AM
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I think that Blended Citizen might also be a candidate for that role having already won a race at Belmont (please note that I did not use the term "wise guy" )
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I think that Blended Citizen might also be a candidate for that role having already won a race at Belmont (please note that I did not use the term "wise guy" )
The "smart guy" horse to use underneath Justify I totally agree!
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How is the likely second choice a wise guy horse.

As a wise guy, well before I sold out, I resent the constant misuse of this once respected term. It used to be that if you didn't know history, you were doomed to mislearn it from Hollywood...now it's from message boards.
I get it. What would be your definition of “wise guy horse” though? Or do you think he’s the ML second choice, because I think Bravazo and Tenfold would definitely be in the mix for that?
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Old 05-24-2018, 02:40 PM
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I get it. What would be your definition of “wise guy horse” though? Or do you think he’s the ML second choice, because I think Bravazo and Tenfold would definitely be in the mix for that?

A wise guy horse would be an off the radar longshot that the average player doesn't see....and a horse that frequently outruns its odds.
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A wise guy horse would be an off the radar longshot that the average player doesn't see....and a horse that frequently outruns its odds.
I’m an idiot on the “wise guy” definition then. I always had it as the horse that’s gonna take way more money than expected because the people with real $$ are gonna bet it down. Like My Boy Jack was the “wise guy horse” in the Derby, or like Shirocco was the “wise guy horse” in the 2005 BC Turf.
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Hofburg feels like the massive wise guy horse.
everything I have read and already knew after Bill Mott said the Belmont was the plan for this one, he was already the wiseguy horse. If Vino Rosso goes he will be the the 1a wise guy horse
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Sure it's a step up from his perfect trip against Core Beliefs, but I'll definitely pound the trifecta heavy using Blended Citizen in the bottom two rungs of all plays.

He was HARD ridden well before the final turn and didn't seem to make any headway until the whip came out in entering the stretch. He looked like he could run ALL day.

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Hofburg feels like the massive wise guy horse.
Hofburg had a brutal ride in the Derby...and was still running hard at the end. There’s definitely a lot to like but if he’s going off as the 2nd choice then I don’t know. I’d probably lean toward Tenfold and Blended Citizen as better values.
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Hofburg had a brutal ride in the Derby...and was still running hard at the end. There’s definitely a lot to like but if he’s going off as the 2nd choice then I don’t know. I’d probably lean toward Tenfold and Blended Citizen as better values.
There was nothing wrong with his ride in the Derby. Mediocre trips aren't always rider's faults.
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There was nothing wrong with his ride in the Derby. Mediocre trips aren't always rider's faults.
You’re right. I meant to say brutal trip and didn’t mean to cast blame on the rider. I don’t think there was much the rider could have done to make it better.
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He trains the horses. He doesn't own them (at least these). Owner Gary West wants to run Restoring Hope. And he's not a guy to argue with.

I assume this has happened before in the Belmont but its still strange to me. I understand training multiples for the Derby but its not reality to think that B.B doesn't want Justify to win. Its not like he is sending a rabbit for him to close in to. I'm sure he will be happy if R.H wins but not as happy the other way around.

Interesting none the less and I would like to hear that post race press conference.
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