9/2 (SAR): Woodward, Spinaway (G1's), Saranac, Glens Falls (G3's)

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Cinch.

Hardly. Have you seen the Woodbine horse? He looks like a top horse.

[taxicab]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Hardly. Have you seen the Woodbine horse? He looks like a top horse.

Horse won by half a pole.
Da Silva never let the horse extend........he never moved his arms on the straighten.
Freak.

[RolloTomasi]

Caviar Czar is the only horse in the race making his turf debut. Dam was a stakes-placed turf runner imported from France.

More importantly, his second dam, Love Me True is the dam of the 2013 Epsom Derby winner, Ruler of The World as well as 2008 Champion older horse Duke of Marmalade (Juddmonte International, King George, Prince of Wales's, etc.).

Fourth dam is uber-broodmare Lassie Dear (A.P. Indy, Summer Squall, Lemon Drop Kid, Honor Grades, etc.).

Caviar Czar's sire, Medaglia d'Oro, in addition to siring slow 3yo fillies (Rachel Alexandra, Elate, Songbird, Plum Pretty) has sired numerous Grade 1 turf winners and overseas champions. He himself was by top turf stallion El Prado (Kitten's Joy, Artie Schiller, Timo, etc.).

Caviar Czar had two blistering works over the Belmont turf course in June, both bullets at 1/2 mile. Not sure what the delay was making his turf debut, but last race was off-the-turf. John Velasquez opts for this over stablemate Master Plan.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Caviar Czar is the only horse in the race making his turf debut. Dam was a stakes-placed turf runner imported from France.

More importantly, his second dam, Love Me True is the dam of the 2013 Epsom Derby winner, Ruler of The World as well as 2008 Champion older horse Duke of Marmalade (Juddmonte International, King George, Prince of Wales's, etc.).

Fourth dam is uber-broodmare Lassie Dear (A.P. Indy, Summer Squall, Lemon Drop Kid, Honor Grades, etc.).

Caviar Czar's sire, Medaglia d'Oro, in addition to siring slow 3yo fillies (Rachel Alexandra, Elate, Songbird, Plum Pretty) has sired numerous Grade 1 turf winners and overseas champions. He himself was by top turf stallion El Prado (Kitten's Joy, Artie Schiller, Timo, etc.).

Caviar Czar had two blistering works over the Belmont turf course in June, both bullets at 1/2 mile. Not sure what the delay was making his turf debut, but last race was off-the-turf. John Velasquez opts for this over stablemate Master Plan.

He was an MTO in that race.

While it's strange it's taken this long to run him on the turf, my guess is that after the race, it won't seem so strange. Still, you have to toss him in multis.

[cakes44]

Rabbit not allowed entry to Woodward:

http://www.drf.com/news/paoluccis-ra...oodward-stakes

What do you guys think? I can see both sides.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Rabbit not allowed entry to Woodward:

http://www.drf.com/news/paoluccis-ra...oodward-stakes

What do you guys think? I can see both sides.

Cautious Giant was entered as a rabbit in the Whitney, set the pace for about a 1/2 mile and even threw a shoe at his target (Gun Runner) and still couldn't soften him up.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Cautious Giant was entered as a rabbit in the Whitney, set the pace for about a 1/2 mile and even threw a shoe at his target (Gun Runner) and still couldn't soften him up.

Baffert will have a real rabbit in collected for the BC

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Rabbit not allowed entry to Woodward:

http://www.drf.com/news/paoluccis-ra...oodward-stakes

What do you guys think? I can see both sides.

It seems to me this merited more discussion. Can anyone remember something similar happening before? That is, has a clear rabbit ever been refused entry?

I can see both sides, too, but I'm wary of situations where the power to act is completely discretionary.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

It seems to me this merited more discussion. Can anyone remember something similar happening before? That is, has a clear rabbit ever been refused entry?

I can see both sides, too, but I'm wary of situations where the power to act is completely discretionary.

pretty lengthy discussions in a few other places...it doesnt seem right if the stewards are going to let some people run rabbits and some others not....if that was maybe a more established, and less outspoken name owner, that the horse would have been allowed to enter.

it certainly would not have changed anything.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

He was an MTO in that race.

While it's strange it's taken this long to run him on the turf, my guess is that after the race, it won't seem so strange. Still, you have to toss him in multis.

Thanks, I failed to do all the proper research, just presumed they were pointing for the grass with those two bullet works back in June. Kind of hard to think he didn't handle it based on the times, but perhaps the clockers (and Pletcher) weren't impressed.

I guess there's always the Discovery to point for. At least I got a Timo reference in there.