Mother Goose

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Kasept

That's been discussed. Turf writer Gary West has been a proponent of that concept. But it doesn't seem fair to the connections pointing for races (especially 2+3yo stakes) to 'lose' quality of black type when there's no way to know how the foes are going to turn out medium/long term.

Very true. I brought up the idea of grading races after they are run to several trainers in the late 80s. One of them said basically the same thing you say here. Another thing to consider is that it would further decrease the few meetings of top horses we have now. As it stands, we know which races are the best ones and where the best horses should be. Taking grades off would cause more trainers to handpick their schedule, claim their horse is the best, and say the competition should come to them.

[10 pnt move up]

having looked at the entire picture after the race

I think the winner is very good, and clearly when given things all her own way she can definitely win races this summer.

that being said, she set a moderate pace and was never under pressure and won like a good filly should when given the setup. At 2/5 next out its not exactly like she crushed under tough circumstances.

I actually liked the effort Lockdown made, she had to be used a lot to try to get to the loose horse, was a bit wide and tired late. Not sure of their prices next out but with the right field I can see a reversal of results.

[jnunan4759]

10 pnt, I can agree with all of that observation.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

having looked at the entire picture after the race

I think the winner is very good, and clearly when given things all her own way she can definitely win races this summer.

that being said, she set a moderate pace and was never under pressure and won like a good filly should when given the setup. At 2/5 next out its not exactly like she crushed under tough circumstances.

I actually liked the effort Lockdown made, she had to be used a lot to try to get to the loose horse, was a bit wide and tired late. Not sure of their prices next out but with the right field I can see a reversal of results.

Love Lockdown moving forward said it in the other thread. The start cost her huge. Think she's sitting on a .massive Saratoga.