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05-08-2017, 09:57 AM
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05-09-2017, 05:41 AM
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Here are the ones that I thought had at least some level of excuse: (the added bold emphasis is mine) GIRVIN, bumped and in tight at the start, settled off the pace, moved up off the rail leaving the far turn, was checked sharply and bumped in traffic near the five-sixteenths then failed to seriously recover. TAPWRIT was forced into tight quarters by IRISH WAR CRY at the break, steadied off heels in the opening furlong, gained while being brushed between foes near the five-sixteenths, altered to the fence in the lane and kept trying. GUNNEVERA was jammed up at the break and bumped,regrouped to save ground early, angled back out nearing the backstretch, entered the far turn five wide, brushed with TAPWRIT past the five sixteenths, came sixwide for the drive, was floated out further in mid stretch then failed to seriously to sustain. HENCE, in tight at the break, settled well back,steadied off heels leaving the five sixteenths, swung wide for the drive but failed to muster up the needed kick. MCCRAKEN was jostled hard soon after the break, recovered and settled four wide, gained quickly when put to pressure leaving the half milemarker, continued on into the lane, was bumped and carried out in mid stretch then came up empty. PATCH chased off the rail, edged up between rivals leaving the far turn, was checked and bounced around with GIRVIN near the five sixteenths causing him to lose any chance and came up empty. IRAP was bumped when a victim of the melee soon after the break, regrouped to chase three and four wide, steadied near the five sixteenths and weakened. A lot of this is pretty much inevitable in a 20-horse stampede. I don't think any of these trips made it impossible for a superior horse to win. And all of these horses finished 10 or more lengths behind Always Dreaming. But adding these trips to dealing with the barrage of mud in the face that all besides the front runners had to deal with, plus the fact that some of them were probably uncomfortable running on that surface, there's plenty of room IMO for some of these horses to look substantially better next time out.
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Curlin and Hard Spun finish 1,2 in the 2007 BC Classic, demonstrating how competing in all three Triple Crown races ruins a horse for the rest of the year...see avatar photo from REUTERS/Lucas Jackson
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05-09-2017, 08:59 AM
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05-09-2017, 09:21 AM
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Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB
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05-09-2017, 09:41 AM
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05-09-2017, 10:37 AM
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Battle of Midway cost me ( and others ) a heavy tri & a $2 super.
Didn't have that horse anywhere NEAR my tickets, was one of my first tosses in fact.  Props to Jon Kinchen for putting listeners onto Limosuine Liberal. Would not have had him on as many tickets as i did w/o JK touting him. My younger brother Dave got a lesson in turf races when he was laughing at me for most of the Woodford Reserve, as I needed Divisidero on many of the wagers I was linked into. I told him to let me know funny it is after they crossed the wire. All he could muster up was a $hit eatin' grin as my cousin and I were going ballistic after the 2 horse exploded in the stretch. An hour and 15 minutes later we were CRACKING UP at my brother because he picked the 2 horse, Thunder Snow. I am with NTamm in thinking the O-W-D p3 came up a tad light. We were hoping for more than we got back, spending $80 on a $2 base ticket. Looking to roll some of the winnings over into Pimlico, which somehow never seems to work out for me. I don't agree with a few on here and Twitter that think this race is a 2 horse race. It's a contentious field, imo. I wasn't too big of a fan of Pletcher's hand going into the Derby, as I thought a hot pace could hurt the chances of his only real shot of winning, in Always Dreaming. But as someone who backed Gunnevera, you couldnt watch the stretch drive replay of the FLA Derby and not be impressed somewhat with AD's finish. That was the sole reason I threw him on some/most tickets. I would've loved to see that race run on a dry track, but it is what it is. I'm just glad that I didnt bet on Thunder Snow.  Hi Ho Pimlico!
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05-11-2017, 09:27 PM
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Sooneteer J Boys Echo Classic Empire McCraken Tapwrit Classic Empire really ran lights out,deserves all the credit in the world.
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05-11-2017, 09:33 PM
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A wild overstatement. There was bumping. Not a single horse got "crushed." Feel free to point out one horse that steadied even reasonably hard.
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Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB
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05-11-2017, 10:24 PM
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FYI......I didn't look at the chart of this race until after your post because I thought the demolition derby at the beginning of the race was obvious. I'm including the chart,and then point towards the following words/phrases: Classic Empire: "hammered off stride". Tapwrit: "forced into tight quarters by IWC soon after the break" McCraken: "was jostled hard soon after the break" J Boys Echo: "forced in and jostled with foes soon after start" Sooneteer: "steadied out of the jam up and altered towards the fence" Irap: "was bumped when a victim of the melee soon after the break" But my favorite is the call for IWC: bore in at the break initiating a chain reaction of trouble" http://www1.drf.com/drfPDFChartRaces...20170506&RN=12
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05-11-2017, 10:31 PM
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I'm not interested in the chart. I watched the race, and particularly the start, quite a few times. Nobody got "crushed." Hyperbole is a dangerous thing.
If people rely on the chart comments in KY for their wagering decisions, they are broke.
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05-11-2017, 10:50 PM
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You asked for me "to point out one horse that even steadied hard". I gave you six. Far from hyperbole.........all I did was point out the facts. Considering you watched the race,I'm quite surprised you can't see the obvious.
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05-11-2017, 11:53 PM
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What hurt Classic Empire most about the bumping was that it cost him position, something that was very valuable in this particular race. Couple that with him being forced to rally wide, and there's a more than reasonable argument that he ran the second best race. IMO, it's best to focus on what actually happened, and how it may have affected the horses involved. Horses have trouble all the time that ultimately proves irrelevant.
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Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB
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05-12-2017, 10:14 AM
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05-12-2017, 11:35 AM
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Quick look at the field, feels like a pretty paceless race...should be much slower pace than derby.
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05-14-2017, 10:07 AM
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Royal Mo injured during his work. Transported to New Bolton.
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05-17-2017, 01:20 PM
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05-17-2017, 08:36 PM
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All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. ~ George Orwell, 1984.
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05-18-2017, 06:20 AM
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After reading BTW's comments I went back to watch the replays again, and I'd have to agree with him that in the standard overhead view, the start doesn't look that bad. However, it was the head-on view that I remember showing CE being bumped sideways extremely hard, almost off his feet. I don't totally trust my memory here, but I couldn't find a link that shows anything more than the standard network race replay, without the head-ons.
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Curlin and Hard Spun finish 1,2 in the 2007 BC Classic, demonstrating how competing in all three Triple Crown races ruins a horse for the rest of the year...see avatar photo from REUTERS/Lucas Jackson
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