This man is a nuts

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I already backed it up. Look at the resumes of Cheney(former Defense Sec.), Rumsfeld(former Def. Sec., Former US Ambassador to NATO), Powell(former chairman Joint Chiefs), etc.

Even the liberal mainstream media touted them as one of the best foreign policy teams ever assembled. What more could you look for in people's resumes? If these people didn't have strong resumes, then I'd like to know who does.

We're not debating ideology. We're talking about people's qualifications. How could someone have been more qualified than Rumsfeld? The guy's resume is incredible. And Cheney was a huge success as Sec Defense in the first Gulf War. Powell was a huge success as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs in the first Gulf War.

Who would have been more qualified for the jobs than these people?

You hardly backed it up. Saying that it was one of the best in history is quite a statement. Its not even close and nothing you have said has backed that up.

None of them had much experience in dealing POLITICALLY with the rest of the world. Thats the point.

Look at Reagans cabinet. Baker, Weinberger and schultz. This one isnt even close.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You hardly backed it up. Saying that it was one of the best in history is quite a statement. Its not even close and nothing you have said has backed that up.

None of them had much experience in dealing POLITICALLY with the rest of the world. Thats the point.

Look at Reagans cabinet. Baker, Weinberger and schultz. This one isnt even close.

I would say the same thing about Rober Gates as the other guys. I don't know if Gates will do a good job or not but he is widely respected and he is considered to be an excellent choice.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You hardly backed it up. Saying that it was one of the best in history is quite a statement. Its not even close and nothing you have said has backed that up.

None of them had much experience in dealing POLITICALLY with the rest of the world. Thats the point.

Look at Reagans cabinet. Baker, Weinberger and schultz. This one isnt even close.

Here is the kind of stuff that the mainstrem media was saying about the Bush foreing policy team when they first came into office. This article is from 2001:

The Bush Team Shares a Vision But Not How To Reach It
The Washington Post
September 30, 2001
By James Mann

"Suddenly, the Bush administration’s foreign policy team occupies center stage in Washington. After eight months of focus on domestic issues such as the tax cut, the nation will now be watching anxiously to see if the administration can deal with the rest of the world in a way that will prevent further attacks on American soil. Luckily, Bush’s foreign policy advisers have a remarkable record of experience to draw upon. They’re going to need it."

This is the type of thing that everyone was saying when they first came into office. That was my point. Even all my democratic friends thought Bush had a great foreign policy team.

[Rupert Pupkin]

I was just doing a search on the internet and I was surprised when I clicked on a google link and it lead to an article on commondreams.com. This article is actually relevant to some of the stuff that we have been discussing in this thread. The article was written just before the 2004 election. I bet you guys never thought I would post a link to an article on commondreams.


http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0218-13.htm

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Here is the kind of stuff that the mainstrem media was saying about the Bush foreing policy team when they first came into office. This article is from 2001:

The Bush Team Shares a Vision But Not How To Reach It
The Washington Post
September 30, 2001
By James Mann

"Suddenly, the Bush administration’s foreign policy team occupies center stage in Washington. After eight months of focus on domestic issues such as the tax cut, the nation will now be watching anxiously to see if the administration can deal with the rest of the world in a way that will prevent further attacks on American soil. Luckily, Bush’s foreign policy advisers have a remarkable record of experience to draw upon. They’re going to need it."

This is the type of thing that everyone was saying when they first came into office. That was my point. Even all my democratic friends thought Bush had a great foreign policy team.

I know that this is going to sound like redboarding, but i had my doubts from the start.

The experience they had was in war and not in diplomacy and never did any of them have anything to do with a rebuilding situation (although its been a long time since we have had to rebuild). How was Colin Powell qualified? He wasnt and it showed.

The foreign policy team was heavy in an agenda toward war and that is what we got.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I know that this is going to sound like redboarding, but i had my doubts from the start.

The experience they had was in war and not in diplomacy and never did any of them have anything to do with a rebuilding situation (although its been a long time since we have had to rebuild). How was Colin Powell qualified? He wasnt and it showed.

The foreign policy team was heavy in an agenda toward war and that is what we got.

You may have been right. I'm not saying that they were a great team. I'm saying that they looked like a great team to most people(myself included).

It's kind of similar to Robert Gates. Everyone is saying what a great choice he is and how qualified he is. For the most part, everyone is raving about him. He may or may not do a good job, but he certainly is not a controversial choice.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

You may have been right. I'm not saying that they were a great team. I'm saying that they looked like a great team to most people(myself included).

It's kind of similar to Robert Gates. Everyone is saying what a great choice he is and how qualified he is. For the most part, everyone is raving about him. He may or may not do a good job, but he certainly is not a controversial choice.

I really dont have an issue with Gates. He is doing mop up duty right now anyway and he cant really do anything "wrong". If he screws up, he can blame it on the mess he inherited. If he does anything marginally good, he is a hero.

The most qualified member of the original team was Richard Clarke and he was ignored and then demoted.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I really dont have an issue with Gates. He is doing mop up duty right now anyway and he cant really do anything "wrong". If he screws up, he can blame it on the mess he inherited. If he does anything marginally good, he is a hero.

The most qualified member of the original team was Richard Clarke and he was ignored and then demoted.

We must not be talking about the same Richard Clarke.

http://www.brookesnews.com/042903ecclewilkinson.html

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

We must not be talking about the same Richard Clarke.

http://www.brookesnews.com/042903ecclewilkinson.html

Again, Rup, how is that link any more viable than commondreams?