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Old 01-24-2017, 12:53 PM
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I think you are offering what the odds "should" be, not what they will be.

There will probably be a lot of "sentimental" or "fan" money on CC - it will be closer to 4:5 and 1:1 - but yes, Arrogate will be favored
I think fan money will be mostly small potatoes. The smart big money will certainly be scared off by the 12 hole.. I see 3:5 and 8:5 myself.. Any big money to be made will be in the horizontals in the improbable upset. They still need to run the race and crazy stuff could happen... Hopefully I can find a decent non favorite or 2 to single on the races leading up to this.
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Old 01-25-2017, 12:03 PM
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As I think back to 2004 and reflect on the top 2 finishers in the BCC and the DWC, I see a similarity between MDO and Pleasantly Perfect and this year’s top 2 BCC runners, Chrome and Arrogate. In 2017 however, 13 years later, the DWC has been replaced by the inaugural running of the Pegasus world cup.
The big difference this year is the distance. While both the BCC and DWC were run at 10f on dirt, the Pegasus is run at 9f. And this change alone makes it impractical to compare the winning situation. While in 2004 MDO was headed for victory to be caught at the 9.5 f mark by PP. as was CC in 2017 by Arrogate in the BCC. The shorter race at GP (9f) may make the end result quite different. AT the 9f mark in the 2016 Bcc CC was a winner, will CC be a winner at 9f at Gulfstream.
How much are you willing to wager on this ?

I read TVG is offering 10 to 1 odds on either CC or Arrogate to win
9f makes the PWC a different animal than the DWC, and the question to be asked is at 9f can a horse other than the top 2 be the winner ?..and if TVG is offering 10 to 1 , building up pool sizes, would a place bet on anyhorse other than CC or Arrow, be the best wager on the day, as the inflated pools will offer much value on the place winner if the top 2 finish 1,3..or even worse.

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Old 01-25-2017, 12:39 PM
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As I think back to 2004 and reflect on the top 2 finishers in the BCC and the DWC, I see a similarity between MDO and Pleasantly Perfect and this year’s top 2 BCC runners, Chrome and Arrogate. In 2017 however, 13 years later, the DWC has been replaced by the inaugural running of the Pegasus world cup.
The big difference this year is the distance. While both the BCC and DWC were run at 10f on dirt, the Pegasus is run at 9f. And this change alone makes it impractical to compare the winning situation. While in 2004 MDO was headed for victory to be caught at the 9.5 f mark by PP. as was CC in 2017 by Arrogate in the BCC. The shorter race at GP (9f) may make the end result quite different. AT the 9f mark in the 2016 Bcc CC was a winner, will CC be a winner at 9f at Gulfstream.
How much are you willing to wager on this ?

I read TVG is offering 10 to 1 odds on either CC or Arrogate to win
9f makes the PWC a different animal than the DWC, and the question to be asked is at 9f can a horse other than the top 2 be the winner ?..and if TVG is offering 10 to 1 , building up pool sizes, would a place bet on anyhorse other than CC or Arrow, be the best wager on the day, as the inflated pools will offer much value on the place winner if the top 2 finish 1,3..or even worse.

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TVG offer is only on new accounts. If I was setting up an account I would take the 10-1 on arrogate
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Old 01-25-2017, 01:48 PM
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TVG offer is only on new accounts. If I was setting up an account I would take the 10-1 on arrogate
25.00 max, and in lieu of the usual 250.00 sign up bonus, I presume... Tricky Devils
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Old 01-25-2017, 02:22 PM
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Twinspires is running a 15% deposit bonus (up to $100) today. Don't have to be new.
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Old 01-25-2017, 02:26 PM
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Twinspires is running a 15% deposit bonus (up to $100) today. Don't have to be new. They actually care somewhat about their current users instead of clown shoes TVG and their clickbait gimmick bonus offers.
Is that $100 max deposit or $100 max bonus? I tried looking on their site on my phone but the details get cut off.
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Old 01-25-2017, 02:35 PM
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Twinspires is running a 15% deposit bonus (up to $100) today. Don't have to be new.
hey, thanks for pointing this out! I just collected my bonus.

I would never had known this w/o your post.
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Old 01-25-2017, 03:05 PM
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Not to hijack the Pegasus thread the other cool TVG perk is for all the derby prep races you get your money back (maximum bet $15) if your horse finishes 2nd or 3rd. Good way to bet some long shots. Lots of good deals out there.
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