1/28 (GP): $12MM Pegasus World Cup

ADJMK · #1 01-23-2017, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottJ

Again, I find myself being one of the nay-sayers when I see numbers like those from this posted. These purely business points that suggest that the Pegasus World Cup will not be a long term fixture.

[1] There appears to be absolutely no interest in broadcasting this race as it has very limited national appeal despite the Chrome vs. Arrogate rematch. We are one week out from the race and I have not seen anything on NBC or any other national network discussing the race. TVG has provided some coverage.

[2] According to what I read this morning, gate admission to Gulfstream is $100.00 per person on Pegasus day not to mention parking passes $50.00) and all of the other up-charges. What is the expected attendance for that type of gate charge? Will Gulfstream attract over or under 12,000 people for that kind of money? Personally, I would go under.

[3] If your entry finishes third or worse, completely possible given the field structure, how quickly are you ready to fire another speculative million at the pot for next year? (Maybe there are outfits lined up to kick in their $1,000,000? Who are they?)

[4] Wait until the post position draw this week. Put both Arrogate and Chrome in the ten, eleven, or twelve posts and your marquee match-up suddenly is upended. Worse, put only one of them in the outside slots.

I guess people are willing to pay those kind of prices for other sporting events or rock concerts but I agree with you and can't see them breaking the gates down to get in. Will be a lot of so called "celebs" attending on their free tickets.

Rudeboyelvis · #2 01-23-2017, 04:22 PM

Horrific draw for California Chrome. Going 9F at GP from the 12 hole is a death sentence. Tough break.

RHT2004 · #3 01-23-2017, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Horrific draw for California Chrome. Going 9F at GP from the 12 hole is a death sentence. Tough break.

Is this the excuse?

blackthroatedwind · #4 01-23-2017, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004

Is this the excuse?

It is a very real excuse....and exactly the one you would be using for Arrogate had the post positions been reversed.

ScottJ · #5 01-23-2017, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It is a very real excuse....and exactly the one you would be using for Arrogate had the post positions been reversed.

Completely agree, Andy, and exactly why I wanted this race to go at 10f (even close to 11f based on the track) to get rid of the post position bias.

declansharbor · #6 01-23-2017, 06:43 PM

About what % of Eclipse Award ceremony attendees do you think were elated when the post was drawn after having to endure P Martin's whacky speech?! They're really going to have to earn it from out that far wide, that's for sure (CC & DAP Racing) !

Alabama Stakes · #7 01-23-2017, 07:17 PM

Hoss likes to be outside of hosses, shouldn't be a problem. Arrogate is the main problem, keen ice is the other problem. He will take some beating for sure.

taxicab · #8 01-24-2017, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor

About what % of Eclipse Award ceremony attendees do you think were elated when the post was drawn after having to endure P Martin's whacky speech?! They're really going to have to earn it from out that far wide, that's for sure (CC & DAP Racing) !

Lol.......Perry Martin pushed up on the horse racing gods,never a good idea.
He also made history.
I've never seen 100% of the people at every single horse racing forum/message board/twitter/Facebook agree on anything.
Until.....
The disgust for Perry Martin @ the Eclipse Awards the other night.
Dude is a taco short of a combo plate.......

RHT2004 · #9 01-24-2017, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It is a very real excuse....and exactly the one you would be using for Arrogate had the post positions been reversed.

Haven't needed an excuse for Arrogate yet and its highly unlikely I ever will. I was on him well before the Travers. Its not like he ran huge and I started to like him. I don't get you. On twitter you talk about Arrogate could be an all time great and you say things very similar to what I have said here multiple times about if Chrome couldn't beat him in the Classic w/ that setup he never will. Yet now your making excuses for the horse before the race.
When Chrome lost the Belmont didn't people say he didn't like being inside of horses. He ran better free and outside?

knickslions2 · #10 01-24-2017, 08:30 AM

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Haven't needed an excuse for Arrogate yet and its highly unlikely I ever will. I was on him well before the Travers. Its not like he ran huge and I started to like him. I don't get you. On twitter you talk about Arrogate could be an all time great and you say things very similar to what I have said here multiple times about if Chrome couldn't beat him in the Classic w/ that setup he never will. Yet now your making excuses for the horse before the race.
When Chrome lost the Belmont didn't people say he didn't like being inside of horses. He ran better free and outside?

Joey you are missing the point here. The 12th hole is brutal at this distance at Gulfstream. Something like 1 for 18 all time since they adjusted the track. Arrogate would have trouble there too.

3kings · #11 01-24-2017, 09:21 AM

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Joey you are missing the point here. The 12th hole is brutal at this distance at Gulfstream. Something like 1 for 18 all time since they adjusted the track. Arrogate would have trouble there too.

He's not missing the point, he knows that Big Brown was the lone winner from the 12 post. He was touting a horse trained by Baffert early(not unusual) and he was right so he will post about it in every thread regardless of topic. This will continue until the horse retires or he is right on another Baffert horse.

Racing is the big loser here as a great match up was compromised by a poor draw. It would have been nice to see this race with both horses drawn somewhere in the middle.