11/5: Santa Anita ~ Breeders' Cup Saturday ($511k C/O)

[kingsize14u]

Great job as usual Steve. I've been listening since the days of JJ & Sam and you were a part time contributor, even before the hurricane knocked you off the air for a while. The show has come a long way since then, in fact it's really a completely different show. Congrats on all the winners you always give out, but i have a request. Someday when you have time explain when and where you protect on your pk4's-5's, such as the first sequence where a "C" pick came in and saved the day with a 27k payout. Perhaps sometime when posting picks you could just add a line such as " substituting this "C" for this "a,b" in race whatever. I am assuming that you had more than 1 pick 5 ticket and did they cost the same? I don't get to the races much nor can I bet on line (Texas) so my handicapping abilities are null and void. I'm looking forward to recap this week and you and all your listeners keep up the good work.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by kingsize14u

Great job as usual Steve. I've been listening since the days of JJ & Sam and you were a part time contributor, even before the hurricane knocked you off the air for a while. The show has come a long way since then, in fact it's really a completely different show. Congrats on all the winners you always give out, but i have a request. Someday when you have time explain when and where you protect on your pk4's-5's, such as the first sequence where a "C" pick came in and saved the day with a 27k payout. Perhaps sometime when posting picks you could just add a line such as " substituting this "C" for this "a,b" in race whatever. I am assuming that you had more than 1 pick 5 ticket and did they cost the same? I don't get to the races much nor can I bet on line (Texas) so my handicapping abilities are null and void. I'm looking forward to recap this week and you and all your listeners keep up the good work.

The standard (Steve Crist) A-B-C multi-ticket approach suggests using all A's (for maybe 3 units), all A's with one B (for maybe 2 units), all A's with 2 B's, and all A's with one C. So for the below:

P5 Grid:

1: 6-10 (A), 1-3-9 (B), 2-4 (C)
2: 4 (A), - (B), 2-8 (C)
3: 8-12-13 (A), 4-11 (B), 2-7-9 (C)
4: 3-4-10 (A), - (B), 2-6-7-11 (C)
5: 8-11 (A), - (B), 1-7 (C)

AAAAA: 2x1x3x3x2 = 36 * 1.5 = $54
BAAAA: 3x1x3x3x2 = 54 * 1 = $54
AABAA: 2x1x2x3x2 = 24 * 1 = $24
CAAAA: 2x1x3x3x2 = 36 *.5 = $18
ACAAA: 2x2x3x3x2 = 72 * .5 = $36
AACAA: 2x1x3x3x3 = 54 * .5 = $27
AAACA: 2x1x3x4x3 = 72 * .5 = $36
AAAAC: 2x1x3x3x2 = 36 * .5 = $18
BABAA: 3x1x2x3x2 = 36 * .5 = $18

Total cost = $275

... which using the above, the AACA ticket came through for a cool $23,700.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by kingsize14u

Great job as usual Steve. I've been listening since the days of JJ & Sam and you were a part time contributor, even before the hurricane knocked you off the air for a while. The show has come a long way since then, in fact it's really a completely different show. Congrats on all the winners you always give out, but i have a request. Someday when you have time explain when and where you protect on your pk4's-5's, such as the first sequence where a "C" pick came in and saved the day with a 27k payout. Perhaps sometime when posting picks you could just add a line such as " substituting this "C" for this "a,b" in race whatever. I am assuming that you had more than 1 pick 5 ticket and did they cost the same? I don't get to the races much nor can I bet on line (Texas) so my handicapping abilities are null and void. I'm looking forward to recap this week and you and all your listeners keep up the good work.

KS..

Thanks.. Hope you had a great Cup. I've provided links to Crist A-B-C-X ticketing before and Exotic Betting itself is the best guide...

Intro: http://helloracefans.com/features/le...o-exotic-bets/

Exotic Betting: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/19...6YW3HWK55XCGG2

Phil gives the basic principles above, though you don't really need to weigh ($1.50, $1, .50) tickets on P5's and especially on days like Cup. Getting .50 on the combos is fine given the payouts.

A simple hybrid approach to the P5 (without layers of coverage with A's and 2 B's for instance) was $189.. The $75 'caveman' ticket of the A's+B's (5x1x5x3x2 = 150 x .50 = $75) and then 5 backup tickets with the C's and A's, another $114:

1: 2-4 with 4 with 8-12-13 with 3-4-10 with 8-11 - $18
2: 6-10 with 2-8 with 8-12-13 with 3-4-10 with 8-11 - $36
3: 6-10 with 4 with 2-7-9 with 3-4-10 with 8-11 - $18
4: 6-10 with 4 with 8-12-13 with 2-6-7-11 with 8-11 - $24
5: 6-10 with 4 with 8-12-13 with 3-4-10 with 1-7 - $18

I hope that explains the concept. When I have opportunity to fully flesh out analysis I do, but time is at an incredible premium for me on Classic Weekends and Breeders' Cup and the grid is the best way I can offer players of all levels my view of the day. I've tried to make it easiest for less experienced players with things like the small budget All A's play. The best way to fully absorb the most comprehensive multi-race approach and build tickets from your opinions (and any one else's feathered in) is to read Crist's book.

Best of luck always,
Steve

[jms62]

Great job this weekend Steve glad to see you score.

[philcski]

Agree that there is no need to press the tickets on the p5, or really even the p4 on most big days... The extra coverage is worth more.

As an example, I pressed my Highland Reel p3 ticket (4 units vs 2 units on Found) but did not press on the (unsuccessful) p4 tickets.