Vale Dori

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Lmao. Ya songbird and her 9 straight graded wins including 7 graded 1s is shaking worrying about this horse. Everything isn't about beyer speed figures.

I said makes her competitive. Songbird has never cracked a 100 and is grossly overrated, while being accomplished because of her lack of competition. When she is no better then 5th on Friday all this madness can stop.

[RHT2004]

I was corrected via PM. Songbird has run a 100 beyer once.
Super filly for sure.
Remember Close Hatches? She would have buried Songbird.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Remember Close Hatches? She would have buried Songbird.

This is a fact.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

This is a fact.

Her full runs Friday at Aqu. Loved her.

[Seattleallstar]

I suppose Riboletta would of buried Zenyatta with all the Close Hatches vs Songbird talk

[Seattleallstar]

Vale Dori is a nice horse and can eventually develop into a true Grade 1 horse if placed in the right spots

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

I suppose Riboletta would of buried Zenyatta with all the Close Hatches vs Songbird talk

Close Hatches was not faster than Songbird Beyerwise at age 3. She wasn't much faster at 4, either.

[RHT2004]

Progressing nicely.

[Thoroughbred Fan]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

I said makes her competitive. Songbird has never cracked a 100 and is grossly overrated, while being accomplished because of her lack of competition. When she is no better then 5th on Friday all this madness can stop.

Has Songbird ever had to finish a race? I mostly see the jockey riding side saddle waving at the crowd in the finish line photos. She wins easy and still goes faster than Vale Dori.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan

Has Songbird ever had to finish a race? I mostly see the jockey riding side saddle waving at the crowd in the finish line photos. She wins easy and still goes faster than Vale Dori.

So she's going to run faster this Friday then she has been?

[cakes44]

It's possible. I'm betting against it, but it's not impossible. What was Beholder's top # before she blew up in the Pacific Classic last year? How about AP's top number before the BCC last year?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

When she is no better then 5th on Friday all this madness can stop.

missed this....good call

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

missed this....good call

Seriously bro? She was odds on and lost. You can make a living tossing horses over bet like her in exchange wagering. I gave her respect post race, while realizing she set a slow pace and still couldn't win. She's good, that's it. Nothing wrong w/ being good.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Seriously bro? She was odds on and lost. You can make a living tossing horses over bet like her in exchange wagering. I gave her respect post race, while realizing she set a slow pace and still couldn't win. She's good, that's it. Nothing wrong w/ being good.

Lost ? What race were you watching ?see avatar

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Seriously bro? She was odds on and lost. You can make a living tossing horses over bet like her in exchange wagering. I gave her respect post race, while realizing she set a slow pace and still couldn't win. She's good, that's it. Nothing wrong w/ being good.

The fact you believe your opinion validated by a horse losing a head bob, to Beholder no less, is no shock to anyone.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

The fact you believe your opinion validated by a horse losing a head bob, to Beholder no less, is no shock to anyone.

Look Stellar Wind didnt fire had trouble or whatever and Songbird is suppose to draw off given the pace she didnt. Beholder ran a much better race not sure how many additional feet Beholder ran but it was at least 3 lengths. Songbird ran well but given the race dynamics I dont believe she ran to her rep

[taxicab]

She's looking like a major player now.
The Grade 1 Santa Margarita in March @ Santa Anita is probably on her agenda.
I wonder when she meets up with Songbird......
Apple Blossom perhaps ?

https://youtu.be/PNGh2kBN5wo

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Look Stellar Wind didnt fire had trouble or whatever and Songbird is suppose to draw off given the pace she didnt. Beholder ran a much better race not sure how many additional feet Beholder ran but it was at least 3 lengths. Songbird ran well but given the race dynamics I dont believe she ran to her rep

What REP?

Almost all the twitter head racing people where saying she was way to slow to compete in that race.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Look Stellar Wind didnt fire had trouble or whatever and Songbird is suppose to draw off given the pace she didnt. Beholder ran a much better race not sure how many additional feet Beholder ran but it was at least 3 lengths. Songbird ran well but given the race dynamics I dont believe she ran to her rep

and this 3 length bull...same trip that Arrogate had against Chrome. That first turn cost her nothing.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Look Stellar Wind didnt fire had trouble or whatever and Songbird is suppose to draw off given the pace she didnt. Beholder ran a much better race not sure how many additional feet Beholder ran but it was at least 3 lengths. Songbird ran well but given the race dynamics I dont believe she ran to her rep

Yep, responding to the mid-stretch challenge of a 3-time BC-winning, 3-time Eclipse winning, 18 for 26 overall, 14 for 16 on the Santa Anita main track older horse and fighting tooth-and-nail to the wire only to lose on a head bob was one of the all-time great exposures of an over-hyped, purported champion.

Reminded me of when that phony Spectacular Bid lost the Jockey Club Gold Cup to Affirmed. What a joke that horse was.

But I understand where you coming from, all this talk of "greatest Distaff of all time" takes away from Personal Ensign's grinding win over 3yo Derby winner Winning Colors in 1988.