An easy question......with a hard answer.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Actually, an easy answer. Apples and Oranges. The campaigns of International horses running on the grass in short seasons aren't comparable to that of North American horses running on dirt over longer calendar periods. Turf horses that are loping along for front half of races and finishing with a rush aren't under the stress and physical toll dirt horses are running hard and fast for whatever distance.

I know it's clever and fashionable to suggest that North American horses just can't hold up like the so superior International brethren, but it's a fallacious assertion.

Yeah our famous turf trainers run their high quality stock in an apples to oranges way to their dirt stock. Phil Damato forgot the name of his multiple graded winner on your show because its been so long since he ran last. Maybe Midnight Storm isnt a loper? When was the last time Brown turned one of his lopers around in 2 weeks after winning a Graded race? I love ya and have mad respect for you but have a heart. Clement turned Lull around in a few weeks(shockingly) after she fell but save that when was the last time he turned one around in 14 days? You ever see Shug wheel back in 2 weeks after winning a serious graded turf race like the Arc, with a filly no less? Exactly who are the trainers that run their high quality turf graded stock on less then 30 days ESPECIALLY off a graded win. Oh and there used to be US trainers that ran their dirt horses frequently, but the vernacular now is all good horses not just the looping turf horses need a minimum of a month to recover. Oh and by the way a month is minimum, 60+ days for horses like Frosted, Curlina, Cavorting, By the Moon etc. I watched Golden Man win 2 stakes in 3 days.

Let's call it the way it is and let's not apologize.

Zenyatta used to bearly gallop for a mile in the exact same way that Found lopes the first mile. Zenyatta wheel back in 2 weeks? What did Honor Code do gun from the gate or lope for 3/4's of a race? Honor Code ran 60 days after Met in Whitney and then wait 55+ days to run in Kelso..He was a loper stone cold closer didnt have a lick of taxing grueling speed, whichs seems to zap horses from recovery. 2 examples of serious grade1 lopers who NEEDED 60 days. Sherriff's and Shug are world class, some of the best trainers ever but lets not suggest this hasnt reached the absurd in States.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Yeah our famous turf trainers run their high quality stock in an apples to oranges way to their dirt stock. Phil Damato forgot the name of his multiple graded winner on your show because its been so long since he ran last. Maybe Midnight Storm isnt a loper? When was the last time Brown turned one of his lopers around in 2 weeks after winning a Graded race? I love ya and have mad respect for you but have a heart. Clement turned Lull around in a few weeks(shockingly) after she fell but save that when was the last time he turned one around in 14 days? You ever see Shug wheel back in 2 weeks after winning a serious graded turf race like the Arc, with a filly no less? Exactly who are the trainers that run their high quality turf graded stock on less then 30 days ESPECIALLY off a graded win. Oh and there used to be US trainers that ran their dirt horses frequently, but the vernacular now is all good horses not just the looping turf horses need a minimum of a month to recover. Oh and by the way a month is minimum, 60+ days for horses like Frosted, Curlina, Cavorting, By the Moon etc. I watched Golden Man win 2 stakes in 3 days.

Let's call it the way it is and let's not apologize.

Zenyatta used to bearly gallop for a mile in the exact same way that Found lopes the first mile. Zenyatta wheel back in 2 weeks? What did Honor Code do gun from the gate or lope for 3/4's of a race? Honor Code ran 60 days after Met in Whitney and then wait 55+ days to run in Kelso..He was a loper stone cold closer didnt have a lick of taxing grueling speed, whichs seems to zap horses from recovery. 2 examples of serious grade1 lopers who NEEDED 60 days. Sherriff's and Shug are world class, some of the best trainers ever but lets not suggest this hasnt reached the absurd in States.

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