tampa jock ban (Update)

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

if this is for race fixing although i have no proof i wouldnt be surprised at all to see 1 of the jocks named in the article. ive saw a few"suspicious" rides from him@cby over the years

[DerbyCat]

I can't wait to see Kev's reply to this thread...

The "race fixing" thought is also the first one that went through my mind after reading the article, and one of the listed jocks is who I had in mind when I thought that... got a weak-a$$ ride from him the other day where he "coasted" in on the stretch and finished out of the money on a horse that sure looked like he could still run... why would a jock not smack his horse a few times with his whip when all he has to do is get a nose up to finish ITM? Pissed me off when I saw it - but I want to believe that cheaters aren't that obvious - poor naive me

[SentToStud]

I'd be surprised if it's for race fixing for the simple fact Jose "Chokehold" Ferrer isn't among those banned.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I'd be surprised if it's for race fixing for the simple fact Jose "Chokehold" Ferrer isn't among those banned.

Stud you and I talked about Tampa last year and I told you why I don't play the place. I know about the large fields, I know about the grass course, I know they pay great. But anytime I've ever tried to make a run at following and understanding the place, I've never felt like I could get a handle on the place.
At any track where purses are miniscule, I think harness racing. By that mean, if the purse on a race is 6 grand, the winning jockey and trainer get 360 bucks for winning the thing, and for the jockey 90 bucks of that goes to his agent. Why should they bust their asses to win all the time when you can geta few races home each day and EVERYONE makes more than that?
I like the small tracks where the purse money is fueled up by slots, you put some money out there and believe me guys try harder. Its just human nature.
I just can't play the joint.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Stud you and I talked about Tampa last year and I told you why I don't play the place. I know about the large fields, I know about the grass course, I know they pay great. But anytime I've ever tried to make a run at following and understanding the place, I've never felt like I could get a handle on the place.
At any track where purses are miniscule, I think harness racing. By that mean, if the purse on a race is 6 grand, the winning jockey and trainer get 360 bucks for winning the thing, and for the jockey 90 bucks of that goes to his agent. Why should they bust their asses to win all the time when you can geta few races home each day and EVERYONE makes more than that?
I like the small tracks where the purse money is fueled up by slots, you put some money out there and believe me guys try harder. Its just human nature.
I just can't play the joint.

Strange things happened there more frequently than any other track I ever stabled at.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Strange things happened there more frequently than any other track I ever stabled at.

Your Dad was once at a place where I was, he came in to watch a race at Tampa on the grass that you had a horse in. I liked your horse myself, and your Dad said that you liked the way he was training.
We bet the horse, and you got the full nelson and chokehold the whole way, your dad just grimaced and asked what the guy was doing, I cursed out not only the jockey himself, but the first 4 generations of his family before vowing never to bet the place again.

[packerbacker7964]

Houghton rides at GLD where my horses are at and there has been rumors about him. I won't go into detail but there have numerous fights and threats in the Jock's room. But as in life where the truth lies and what's rumor One may never know.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Your Dad was once at a place where I was, he came in to watch a race at Tampa on the grass that you had a horse in. I liked your horse myself, and your Dad said that you liked the way he was training.
We bet the horse, and you got the full nelson and chokehold the whole way, your dad just grimaced and asked what the guy was doing, I cursed out not only the jockey himself, but the first 4 generations of his family before vowing never to bet the place again.

I know the race you are talking about. I got fined by the stewards for my "language" after the race. I told them if they worried more about what is going on during the race rather than after the race we would all be better off. I have said it before on this board, you would be shocked by the level of ineptitude of stewards nationwide. Of course there are exceptions but depending on them or the commissions to police the sport is a scary proposition.

At this time let us remember that these individuals
named thus far are "innocent until proven guilty".

If found cheating on racing contests,
these jockeys should be banned permanently from the sport.

Not allowed back into the game as Billy "Buzzer Boy" Patin was.

Originally Posted by The_Guy_Smiley

At this time let us remember that these individuals
named thus far are "innocent until proven guilty".

If found cheating on racing contests,
these jockeys should be banned permanently from the sport.

Not allowed back into the game as Billy "Buzzer Boy" Patin was.

At least Patin was trying to win.
I disagree with a few folks on here about juice and its extent, I think the biggest problem is that stewards let blatant non tries go unnoticed and unpunished.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Stud you and I talked about Tampa last year and I told you why I don't play the place. I know about the large fields, I know about the grass course, I know they pay great. But anytime I've ever tried to make a run at following and understanding the place, I've never felt like I could get a handle on the place.
At any track where purses are miniscule, I think harness racing. By that mean, if the purse on a race is 6 grand, the winning jockey and trainer get 360 bucks for winning the thing, and for the jockey 90 bucks of that goes to his agent. Why should they bust their asses to win all the time when you can geta few races home each day and EVERYONE makes more than that?
I like the small tracks where the purse money is fueled up by slots, you put some money out there and believe me guys try harder. Its just human nature.
I just can't play the joint.

I like the place. Won't play til next month but I'm looking over last year's stuff and watching this year's races. As for the goofy sh it that goes on, I just figure it's all a wash and even figure it benefits me as I will NEVER bet a horse under 6-1 to win there. Maybe I'm wrong for thinking that, but it makes me feel better thinking so.

You certainly can't go to the otb and get a simulcast book or download a drf pp for Tampa at home and have any chance of winning by glancing and firing away. But the pools run $2Mil during the week and $3 Mil+ on the weekends and I truly believe the simulcast money on tracks like Tampa is generally "deader" than on NYRA or SoCal.

If you stick to the multi race exotics, and play single race tris fairly deep when you have a bad chalk, one can do real well playing Tampa.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I like the place. Won't play til next month but I'm looking over last year's stuff and watching this year's races. As for the goofy sh it that goes on, I just figure it's all a wash and even figure it benefits me as I will NEVER bet a horse under 6-1 to win there. Maybe I'm wrong for thinking that, but it makes me feel better thinking so.

You certainly can't go to the otb and get a simulcast book or download a drf pp for Tampa at home and have any chance of winning by glancing and firing away. But the pools run $2Mil during the week and $3 Mil+ on the weekends and I truly believe the simulcast money on tracks like Tampa is generally "deader" than on NYRA or SoCal.

If you stick to the multi race exotics, and play single race tris fairly deep when you have a bad chalk, one can do real well playing Tampa.

I do agree that there is alot of "dead" money bet there. The jocks remaining should be putting in a little extra effort in the coming weeks.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I do agree that there is alot of "dead" money bet there. The jocks remaining should be putting in a little extra effort in the coming weeks.

I was told from a friend down there that there are possilby more riders fixing on getting banned.
This, evidently, has been an ongoing investigation (approx. 4 yrs.) and the riders were "ratted" out by another rider from the east coast.
When a horse has to have the bit surgically removed from its a** after the race, then I would say the rider is fixin' races.

[JJP]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I'd be surprised if it's for race fixing for the simple fact Jose "Chokehold" Ferrer isn't among those banned.

Speaking of Ferrer, the IRB dropped their suspension of him.

[Scav]

The whole Ferrer thing is total BS. Stewards look so hilarious for how they handled it

As far as Tampa. What is the announcer going to do now, he gets SO EXCITED to call out Judice's name. Houghton is gone to, pretty crazy. They might be suspending Valdes for always finishing last.

Folks, this is the type of place that GPK likes, proceed with caution